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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
 I wonder how in such short timenotice they will find a descent english caster. Also i don't see why DoA get's all the flame when i have no doubt that he just posted on what was told to him, and that in fact even though this post looks Intelligent and well thought off Kespa itself is utter chaos in wich so far everything DoA posted seems to be confirmed by Kespa itself. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
imo there was a little bit of struggle because OGN didn't want to lose money from paid HD and VODs. That's understandable. Kespa wants to reach out to foreign viewers and they don't want to have fee based stream. That's also understandable. There is no "enemy". In the end, it actually worked for the best for us - foreign viewers. We will get FREE HD and VODs for ALL Proleague matches. Weekends will probably still be OGN feed anyway. The only problem I see here is that we are discovering this now, few hours before the PL actually starts. I wish some people would just stop looking for drama, shut up and enjoy the games -.- | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:41 Lysanias wrote: I am guessing DoA won't be casting that then ? I wonder how in such short timenotice they will find a descent english caster. Also i don't see why DoA get's all the flame when i have no doubt that he just posted on what was told to him, and that in fact even though this post looks Intelligent and well thought off Kespa itself is utter chaos. Because they are not professionals. When a deal breaks down between two companies you immediately go out with a press release explaining the situation, what it means, what they will plan to do instead. This also relates internally, why whas there such missunderstandings regarding the situation? Why wasn't the staff involved in this informed on what had happend and what they were suppose to say if they would be interviewed. So many levels of this that is plain wrong, And yes, I agree that DOA made a mistake but so did practically everyone else in Kespa and OGN as well. To blame DOA and say that he is the sole cause of this misinformation is just laughable. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:31 Martijn wrote: How many casters do you think we have in Korea? You try getting someone a VISA in 2 days. It's a damn small pond, a good chunk are casting for GOM and certainly wouldn't cast for KESPA. Until they find someone to commit and fly them over, there is no alternative and even then who knows who they'll get. Most of us wouldn't be willing to give up everything and fly out to Korea on short notice. Having casters on-location in Korea isn't the only way to do things. It might not even be the most rational way to provide a stream to foreign audience, in my opinion at least. MLG could have been given the rights to do it. IEG might find someone to go to Korea afterall. OGN might still get to broadcast in English in the end. Nothing is decided yet, that's why they're negotiating in the first place. And it's also why it's a bad idea to take partial information from some random point during negotiations as something conclusive, as the validity of such information can change within hours. On December 07 2012 23:31 Martijn wrote: Yeah people would've been upset if there had been no English stream day 1, so if nothing else it's great that we have a stream on day 1 following DoAs thread. Do you honestly think they told DoA "yeah, OGN won't be streaming Proleague, but it's cool, we'll just hand you to Kespa"? Obviously nothing was planned or we wouldn't get stuck with a "gathering resources" statement. Do you honestly think that they told DoA "hey, you, guy that made angry post about us and made us look bad, do us a favor and come commentate for us this one time"? Obviously it went via OGN - Doa said himself that it was a "favor" from OGN, not him personally. And yes, it makes perfect sense for OGN to step in as one of the parties that was interested in providing the cast in the first place. This way, they offered a solution to prevent a PR disaster of not having an opening matchday streamed, something that their rival - IEG - couldn't do. It certainly wouldn't be constructive for OGN to just sit on their asses and do nothing until the agreement is reached. Nor it would be beneficial to any party linked to broadcasting the Proleague to have no English stream on the opening day. Of course OGN would do what they can to prevent it as an interested party. On December 07 2012 23:31 Martijn wrote: As of right now, we have an opening day English stream and the promise that an attempt to gather "resources" for an English stream some time in the future will be made. The message we should be sending is try harder and make certain there won't be periods without English streams. Try harder compared to what? There have been no periods without English streams. The only reason this discussion exists is because of a leak that shouldn't have happened. OGN has not yet announced anything about their future regarding English broadcast. On December 07 2012 23:51 Integra wrote: When a deal breaks down between two companies you immediately go out with a press release explaining the situation, what it means, what they will plan to do instead. There is no indication that the deal broke down at any point as of yet though. | ||
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Lynkilen
Norway211 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:51 Integra wrote: Because they are not professionals. When a deal breaks down between two companies you immediately go out with a press release explaining the situation, what it means, what they will plan to do instead. This also relates internally, why whas there such missunderstandings regarding the situation? Why wasn't the staff involved in this informed on what had happend and what they were suppose to say if they would be interviewed. So many levels of this that is plain wrong, And yes, I agree that DOA made a mistake but so did practically everyone else in Kespa and OGN as well. To blame DOA and say that he is the sole cause of this misinformation is just laughable. That is indeed the western way of doing things (mostly), they are how ever Korean and things go different there. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:56 Lysanias wrote: That is indeed the western way of doing things (mostly), they are how ever Korean and things go different there. Problem is that their market in this case is the western (us) and to avoid conflicts they better adapt to a different approach, if you are speaking the truth and not just talking nonesens that is. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:55 Lynkilen wrote: Someone activate the Sayle signal, it's right next to the Bat one! Best post on this thread right there ! SAYLE GET ON THIS SHIT DAWG ! XD | ||
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Reapafied
65 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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iLevitate
United States225 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:08 Mikau wrote: So DoA, one of the most honest and trustworthy people in the SC2 scene posts an assessment of the situation that doesn't actually conflict with the one that Kespa posts. You know, Kespa, the big bad bully of esports. Why exactly are we taking Kespa's side over DoA's again? This and Doa already said he misunderstood. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:01 Integra wrote: Problem is that their market in this case is the western (us) and to avoid conflicts they better adapt to a different approach, if you are speaking the truth and not just talking nonesens that is. I am not sure if we are "there" market tbh, they might want to have a slice of the pie but there focus proberly will remain in Korea. It's also rather irrelivant considering it's between korean party's, in wich one happen to have a foreign employe. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Let us find this so-called "DoA" and put an end to him... | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:10 Lysanias wrote: I am not sure if we are "there" market tbh, they might want to have a slice of the pie but there focus proberly will remain in Korea. It's also rather irrelivant considering it's between korean party's, in wich one happen to have a foreign employe. focus or not, they did release a service that was meant for the western world to diverse their company outside Korea. Of course its relevant, IF kespa would had done what I just typed above none of this missinformation would had happened in the first place. Furher, I strongly don't believe in that Korea has some culture that forbidds them from having internal meetings regarding what their goals are and how to plan strategies  | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
And then just wait and see. Which echoes what DOA finished off his post with as well. -_- Honestly this seems like it was entirely a response to the disappointment of the community following DOA's statement. Either way it seems like their should have been more communication and just dumping this all on Doa's shoulders is completely unfair, but actually just typical Kespa. It's never Kespa's fault, always someone else's. | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
Very sad that there won't be an english cast. | ||
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