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On October 25 2012 00:38 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:31 Eko200 wrote:On October 25 2012 00:06 mythandier wrote:On October 24 2012 23:18 Gentso wrote:
...it makes business sense. Anyone who's played SC2 at a high level can get to the highest elo's of League because there isn't much of a skill cap. This. Players are switching to LoL not because SC2 is "dying, declining...etc" but because of saturation and skill cap. The top of the SC2 scene is fairly well established and the progamer population has reached a point of over saturation as it relates to major tournaments, streams, sponsorships...etc. With the boom in popularity of other eSports-scene games it makes sense that many pros would switch over from a saturated market to one with plenty of room at the top of the pyramid. To put it in a sciency-wiency sort of way: think of progamers like electrons, the game they're playing as the conduit, and making money as the energy-output/goal. As you add more conduits to the goal, the electrons will move along those conduits as they offer less resistance to the goal. After all, the term is progamer, not proSC2player. Wait... so because the top of SC2 is already saturated some of the players already at the top are going to leave? Doesn't make much sense, its safe to assume LoL is so popular in Korea that some of the people who dreamed of becoming a household name like Boxer see a better chance of that in LoL. A part of me wants to say "good riddance" because I much prefer the best players to actually love the game then just do it for money and fame. sC is at the top? He dropped out of Code A in April and hasn't done anything of note since then, except some losses in WCS Korea and in GSTL. He's at best middle of the pack, and that pack is pretty large. He's basically nowhere, so moving on to something else where he can try and be someone makes sense.
This, the guy had no real future as a well payed SC2 professional, so he might as well try his luck at LoL.
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I really dont understand why people are getting so upset over this. The guy hasn't been competitive for almost a year now, and just wants to try something else as apparently SC2 isn't working out for him.
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On October 25 2012 00:56 EuroRabbit wrote:
I really dont understand why people are getting so upset over this. The guy hasn't been competitive for almost a year now, and just wants to try something else as apparently SC2 isn't working out for him.
I think it's because people don't realise he's not a top player, so they perceive it as someone really good leaving, rather than someone who's struggling leaving.
In reality, it's a bit like when the Kespa b-teamers switched from SCBW to SC2. They had no SCBW career prospects, so they switched.
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While I dont really care about his switch, I hope his health improves and he can live a healthy life.
Good Luck sC!
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This is just indicative of a larger change. There's no doubt that Korea has chosen LoL as the next big e-sport. SC2 is not going to be that game. With HOTS you have a small handful of marginal new units that aren't going to attract new players or people who abandoned the game in 2010 and 2011. Even if they implement the ideal BattleNet, that's not going to turn the tide. The damage has been done.
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I understand switching to LoL to keep going as a progamer, but what I don't get is LoL's popularity... I tried it. It was boring. I can't imagine playing it all the time, let alone watching pros play it ever.
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On October 25 2012 01:08 itiswhatitis wrote:
I understand switching to LoL to keep going as a progamer, but what I don't get is LoL's popularity... I tried it. It was boring. I can't imagine playing it all the time, let alone watching pros play it ever.
because it's a fun game? These kinds of things are subjective anyway.
"I can't understand why people play sc2. I tried it and it was boring"
See what I did there?
Dustin Browder chose to go full retard and not build upon a formula that worked for over a decade. There's a reason people keep buying Call of Duty even though it's the same shit every year, the core of the game is still the same.
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We all knew, that when the Kespa pros switched over, it would shake up the scene and some players would have to retire. It doesn't really matter, that instead of retiring completely, they're trying to switch to LoL. Gaming is all they know, it's only normal that they'll try to find another way to make money doing it.
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So basically, anyone who you haven't heard about for awhile is switching to DotA or LoL.
Guess that makes sense, unfortunate as it is.
Good luck sC!
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sC had so much potential, if he hadnt had major health issues he could have become a GSL champion. He always had a really distinct style of tvz that was fun to watch
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Damn, I loved watching him play, and while I don't really watch SC2 anymore(Dota!) it's still sad to see one of my favorite Terrans switch.
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On October 25 2012 00:31 Eko200 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:06 mythandier wrote:On October 24 2012 23:18 Gentso wrote:
...it makes business sense. Anyone who's played SC2 at a high level can get to the highest elo's of League because there isn't much of a skill cap. This. Players are switching to LoL not because SC2 is "dying, declining...etc" but because of saturation and skill cap. The top of the SC2 scene is fairly well established and the progamer population has reached a point of over saturation as it relates to major tournaments, streams, sponsorships...etc. With the boom in popularity of other eSports-scene games it makes sense that many pros would switch over from a saturated market to one with plenty of room at the top of the pyramid. To put it in a sciency-wiency sort of way: think of progamers like electrons, the game they're playing as the conduit, and making money as the energy-output/goal. As you add more conduits to the goal, the electrons will move along those conduits as they offer less resistance to the goal. After all, the term is progamer, not proSC2player. Wait... so because the top of SC2 is already saturated some of the players already at the top are going to leave? Doesn't make much sense, its safe to assume LoL is so popular in Korea that some of the people who dreamed of becoming a household name like Boxer see a better chance of that in LoL. A part of me wants to say "good riddance" because I much prefer the best players to actually love the game then just do it for money and fame.
But how can a LoL player become a star like boxer? Isn't the skillgap in LoL too low for this?
On October 25 2012 01:08 itiswhatitis wrote:
I understand switching to LoL to keep going as a progamer, but what I don't get is LoL's popularity... I tried it. It was boring. I can't imagine playing it all the time, let alone watching pros play it ever.
I agree with you. I can understand it's fun to play a few hours a day, but fulltime? No way. Also I can't understand how people would enjoy watching pros play it. I think the teamplay is fun to watch... the first few months.
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On October 25 2012 01:17 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:31 Eko200 wrote:On October 25 2012 00:06 mythandier wrote:On October 24 2012 23:18 Gentso wrote:
...it makes business sense. Anyone who's played SC2 at a high level can get to the highest elo's of League because there isn't much of a skill cap. This. Players are switching to LoL not because SC2 is "dying, declining...etc" but because of saturation and skill cap. The top of the SC2 scene is fairly well established and the progamer population has reached a point of over saturation as it relates to major tournaments, streams, sponsorships...etc. With the boom in popularity of other eSports-scene games it makes sense that many pros would switch over from a saturated market to one with plenty of room at the top of the pyramid. To put it in a sciency-wiency sort of way: think of progamers like electrons, the game they're playing as the conduit, and making money as the energy-output/goal. As you add more conduits to the goal, the electrons will move along those conduits as they offer less resistance to the goal. After all, the term is progamer, not proSC2player. Wait... so because the top of SC2 is already saturated some of the players already at the top are going to leave? Doesn't make much sense, its safe to assume LoL is so popular in Korea that some of the people who dreamed of becoming a household name like Boxer see a better chance of that in LoL. A part of me wants to say "good riddance" because I much prefer the best players to actually love the game then just do it for money and fame. But how can a LoL player become a star like boxer? Isn't the skillgap in LoL too low for this? Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:08 itiswhatitis wrote:
I understand switching to LoL to keep going as a progamer, but what I don't get is LoL's popularity... I tried it. It was boring. I can't imagine playing it all the time, let alone watching pros play it ever. I agree with you. I can understand it's fun to play a few hours a day, but fulltime? No way. Also I can't understand how people would enjoy watching pros play it. I think the teamplay is fun to watch... the first few months.
The great thing is, it's existence isn't dependent on your ability to comprehend it, just accept the fact that there are people who do enjoy it and you're quite simply not one of them.
I'm sick of seeing these 'derp derp, tried it and didn't like it' posts; essentially belittling the biggest community esports has at this time and indeed, has ever had. There are OBVIOUSLY people who enjoy it and obviously for more than just the first few months, hence why LoL has been around longer than SC2.
Regarding whether a pro-player can become a Boxer like figure, of course they can. Boxer didn't achieve some unreached power level; he just dominated for a period of time. Yes, LoL teams consist of 5 members but two of the lanes minimum will be 1vs1 and a select few players have a strong reputation as being the most fearsome in that given role or at a specific champion.
If that's all above your head and you didn't understand it; your opinion has no bearing on the truth.
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Where dat snitch at?36923 Posts
..... sC WHY?!?! WHY!?!? why.... T-T...
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I AM NESTEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! NESTEA IS IN THE FINALS AGAIN!!!! OH MY GOD TASTELESS!!!!
Man am i gonna miss sC- the guy had raw talent and would have made it so much farther in SC2 if it wasnt for his lung problem.
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I was actually just thinking about sc yesterday while watching the nestea vs sc games. Sad to see another leave. :_(
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On October 25 2012 01:17 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:31 Eko200 wrote:On October 25 2012 00:06 mythandier wrote:On October 24 2012 23:18 Gentso wrote:
...it makes business sense. Anyone who's played SC2 at a high level can get to the highest elo's of League because there isn't much of a skill cap. This. Players are switching to LoL not because SC2 is "dying, declining...etc" but because of saturation and skill cap. The top of the SC2 scene is fairly well established and the progamer population has reached a point of over saturation as it relates to major tournaments, streams, sponsorships...etc. With the boom in popularity of other eSports-scene games it makes sense that many pros would switch over from a saturated market to one with plenty of room at the top of the pyramid. To put it in a sciency-wiency sort of way: think of progamers like electrons, the game they're playing as the conduit, and making money as the energy-output/goal. As you add more conduits to the goal, the electrons will move along those conduits as they offer less resistance to the goal. After all, the term is progamer, not proSC2player. Wait... so because the top of SC2 is already saturated some of the players already at the top are going to leave? Doesn't make much sense, its safe to assume LoL is so popular in Korea that some of the people who dreamed of becoming a household name like Boxer see a better chance of that in LoL. A part of me wants to say "good riddance" because I much prefer the best players to actually love the game then just do it for money and fame. But how can a LoL player become a star like boxer? Isn't the skillgap in LoL too low for this? Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:08 itiswhatitis wrote:
I understand switching to LoL to keep going as a progamer, but what I don't get is LoL's popularity... I tried it. It was boring. I can't imagine playing it all the time, let alone watching pros play it ever. I agree with you. I can understand it's fun to play a few hours a day, but fulltime? No way. Also I can't understand how people would enjoy watching pros play it. I think the teamplay is fun to watch... the first few months.
Clearly you are in the minority. I my self have been playing leagues since beta and have over 1200 wins and still am not bored with the game..
I have 300 sc2 1v1 wins am pretty bored with the game and only play now when i don't have enough time to play a leagues game.
However I do prefer to watch sc2 and follow the community as a opposed to leagues.
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On October 25 2012 01:02 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:56 EuroRabbit wrote:
I really dont understand why people are getting so upset over this. The guy hasn't been competitive for almost a year now, and just wants to try something else as apparently SC2 isn't working out for him. I think it's because people don't realise he's not a top player, so they perceive it as someone really good leaving, rather than someone who's struggling leaving. In reality, it's a bit like when the Kespa b-teamers switched from SCBW to SC2. They had no SCBW career prospects, so they switched.
sc would be much better than a kespa b teamer. sc has a generally okay record. there were plenty of kespa main roster players who do get wins here and there but you will hardly see get significant wins, semi appearances, etc. so IMO i think its a loss. maybe it had something to do with his lungs? sc2 too much pressure/anxiety? in any case, i feel this mass exodus from sc2 will only get worse.
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Damn... always been a fan of his. O.O
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On October 25 2012 01:17 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:31 Eko200 wrote:On October 25 2012 00:06 mythandier wrote:On October 24 2012 23:18 Gentso wrote:
...it makes business sense. Anyone who's played SC2 at a high level can get to the highest elo's of League because there isn't much of a skill cap. This. Players are switching to LoL not because SC2 is "dying, declining...etc" but because of saturation and skill cap. The top of the SC2 scene is fairly well established and the progamer population has reached a point of over saturation as it relates to major tournaments, streams, sponsorships...etc. With the boom in popularity of other eSports-scene games it makes sense that many pros would switch over from a saturated market to one with plenty of room at the top of the pyramid. To put it in a sciency-wiency sort of way: think of progamers like electrons, the game they're playing as the conduit, and making money as the energy-output/goal. As you add more conduits to the goal, the electrons will move along those conduits as they offer less resistance to the goal. After all, the term is progamer, not proSC2player. Wait... so because the top of SC2 is already saturated some of the players already at the top are going to leave? Doesn't make much sense, its safe to assume LoL is so popular in Korea that some of the people who dreamed of becoming a household name like Boxer see a better chance of that in LoL. A part of me wants to say "good riddance" because I much prefer the best players to actually love the game then just do it for money and fame. But how can a LoL player become a star like boxer? Isn't the skillgap in LoL too low for this? Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:08 itiswhatitis wrote:
I understand switching to LoL to keep going as a progamer, but what I don't get is LoL's popularity... I tried it. It was boring. I can't imagine playing it all the time, let alone watching pros play it ever. I agree with you. I can understand it's fun to play a few hours a day, but fulltime? No way. Also I can't understand how people would enjoy watching pros play it. I think the teamplay is fun to watch... the first few months.
I assume you mean skillcap. Thing is, the peak of mechanical skill in LoL has still not been reached, and even beyond that, because it's a team game, there's a lot more things than individual skill getting blended into the mix because of team tactics and strategies. Shit, one role in LoL (Jungler) is ~10% mechanical skill and ~90% judgement calls. (and junglers are often the player who makes tactical calls for the team)
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