On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote: Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal.
So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals?
It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia.
Wait....
Anyway, stop arguing semantics.
That's not semantics, it's called a definition.
Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the post above yours.
Wiki quote: "As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies)."
So I'll ask again: Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?
I don't mean to be condescending I just don't understand.
Would just like to add, so far I've not seen one red comment from a mod in this whole thread. Way to keep it civil TL! Quite a surprising feat considering the topic at hand, unless the mods are on vacation today lol
I could understand him getting in trouble in Europe with their weird ass illegal offensive speech laws, but over here we don't have a problem with people joking, no matter what the topic is. Strange.
Let's try to be factual about this nonsense, we can only assume he didn't really fuck a kid, otherwise he would be in jail right now, that's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain (he was in the US at the time).
So it was a joke and his team decided to suspend him because... well they thought it wasn't... "appropriate".
If my employer doesn't pay me for one month because he thinks my jokes are not funny I would sue his ass and I would win. Of course he would not, because he has a triple digit IQ and I'm actually very funny.
Bad taste still isn't a crime even in the USA, and for all I know what Stephano did was a private bad joke, that's it. I think Stephano will leave this team very soon.
I'm not really like "shocked" by this, doesn't affect my opinion on Evil Geniuses at all, but I have to say Stephano is kind of weird for craving young pussy like a 14 yo's o_O. Get your shit together broskee
On October 13 2012 10:22 Doodsmack wrote: Ironically this has really demonstrated the professional way in which EG is run. This is a very well handled PR statement and honestly resembles the professionally written PR you might see in other, more established. EG is unequivocally setting the bar for pro esports teams and that's one of the reasons they can count me as a fan.
I agree with this. Good on EG to separate themselves from Satouri from the start.
On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote: Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal.
So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals?
It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia.
Wait....
Anyway, stop arguing semantics.
That's not semantics, it's called a definition.
Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the post above yours.
Wiki quote: "As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies)."
So I'll ask again: Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?
I don't mean to be condescending I just don't understand.
Read it again.... refers to having or wanting to have sex with PREpubescent girls. 14 years old is the age of consent in many counties as generally puberty is considered to have started at the latest at age 13. Even if physically a girl doesn't enter puberty until she is sixteen, by law she would be considered an adult.
On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote: Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal.
So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals?
It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia.
Wait....
Anyway, stop arguing semantics.
That's not semantics, it's called a definition.
Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the post above yours.
Wiki quote: "As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies)."
So I'll ask again: Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?
I don't mean to be condescending I just don't understand.
The source you just quoted says "prepubescent" and "under 13". 14y/o is neither of these. So no.
Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY man fuck gsl i got fucked on this world championship thing -_- boycott dat shit 3 oct Patrick Soulliere II Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @LiquidNonY Great post full of details on why to boycott it instead of a standard progamer QQ rage post. Oh wait....... 3 oct Tyler Wasieleski Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY @ESVDiamond what the fuck do you know what twitter is lol 140char max aint no posts full of details and explanations. get real bitch
Here we have mr. Nony insulting the CES of ESV TV, you tell me it is like if a football player insulted the boss of UEFA lol
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nony graduate from Duke? Lol, "lack largely of any education," my ass. He's probably better educated than 90% of TL.
Bad educated doesn´t refer just to have titles but to have good manners, that´s what i meant. Call bitch to the ceo of a big korean tournament through twitter shows very bad manners
Manners, just like morality are subjective and personal. You can not force your personal standards on someone else. Stephen Fry, one of the best educated and most intelligent people on television uses foul language all the time about all kinds of people and is a great proponent of the right to say what you want in any manner (oh the irony) you choose.
SC players are actually very well educated in general, Nony is a very polite guy for the most part. Unlike say NFL players, most of whom wouldn't have got in to college if not for a scholarship to play football. Please, please, please stop thinking that your standards are better than anyone elses.
Ok, right you can call bitch whoever you want whenever you like, if you think those are manners then you don´t think rationally at all man.
Yes you can. You can call anyone a bitch because bitch is just a word. It means female dog, how offensive! Manners are just social niceties, they mean nothing. Just like when you get up from the table while other people are still eating, I get told off by my gf for that all the time and I always reply the same "Then eat faster". Its not up to her what I as an ADULT choose to do.
If I call you a bitch, you can be offended by all means. It was directed at you. Everyone else on the planet has no right to be offended by it however because it wasn't directed at them. When you speak in anger or passion and you are an adult you have a plethora of fantastic swear words available to you and you should feel free to use them, to tell me that I can't use those words because they offend your sense of manners is far more rude.
How in the world is it ruder for someone else to get offended by your manners? It's like if you tried to piss on A's shoes but your splatter hits B as well. Hell, yes, B can be offended even if you didn't mean to piss on him.
Reddit people remind me of Ned Flanders, sitting in front of the TV ... recording and making a list of series/films with bad words that should be banned.
and the stephano thing went past me ... like most of these giants upsets that demands logging in 100 email accounts to send mails to sponsors. I must say its really nice that no one bothers anymore to post reddit stuff here !
On October 13 2012 10:18 shizaep wrote: Oh, he made a joke to a buddy about sleeping with a 14yo. It might have been poorly worded/distasteful but it's not really a big deal in the slightest.
I hate the way this community takes up torches and pitchforks on anyone who says something that isn't perfectly politically correct.
he ADMITTED TO A CRIME which carries up to 15 YEARS of prison sentence in your country. Wake up dude.
the internet pitchforks is the least he has to worry about right now.
What the fuck are you talking about? He vaguely said something about "abusing" a 14yo. He probably meant he just slept with her. We don't know what the details are so we cannot really say. IMO, it's not a big deal. At all. 14yo have sex all the time. I know from living in NA that everything that could possibly considered a sexual action is considered rape and everything that isn't perfectly politically correct is a hate crime. It's not.
Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY man fuck gsl i got fucked on this world championship thing -_- boycott dat shit 3 oct Patrick Soulliere II Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @LiquidNonY Great post full of details on why to boycott it instead of a standard progamer QQ rage post. Oh wait....... 3 oct Tyler Wasieleski Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY @ESVDiamond what the fuck do you know what twitter is lol 140char max aint no posts full of details and explanations. get real bitch
Here we have mr. Nony insulting the CES of ESV TV, you tell me it is like if a football player insulted the boss of UEFA lol
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nony graduate from Duke? Lol, "lack largely of any education," my ass. He's probably better educated than 90% of TL.
Bad educated doesn´t refer just to have titles but to have good manners, that´s what i meant. Call bitch to the ceo of a big korean tournament through twitter shows very bad manners
Manners, just like morality are subjective and personal. You can not force your personal standards on someone else. Stephen Fry, one of the best educated and most intelligent people on television uses foul language all the time about all kinds of people and is a great proponent of the right to say what you want in any manner (oh the irony) you choose.
SC players are actually very well educated in general, Nony is a very polite guy for the most part. Unlike say NFL players, most of whom wouldn't have got in to college if not for a scholarship to play football. Please, please, please stop thinking that your standards are better than anyone elses.
Ok, right you can call bitch whoever you want whenever you like, if you think those are manners then you don´t think rationally at all man.
Yes you can. You can call anyone a bitch because bitch is just a word. It means female dog, how offensive! Manners are just social niceties, they mean nothing. Just like when you get up from the table while other people are still eating, I get told off by my gf for that all the time and I always reply the same "Then eat faster". Its not up to her what I as an ADULT choose to do.
If I call you a bitch, you can be offended by all means. It was directed at you. Everyone else on the planet has no right to be offended by it however because it wasn't directed at them. When you speak in anger or passion and you are an adult you have a plethora of fantastic swear words available to you and you should feel free to use them, to tell me that I can't use those words because they offend your sense of manners is far more rude.
Bitch means whore, look google translator xD, I don´t think than if you call someone bitch you mean it because he is a female dog but a whore.
Yeah, man do whatever you want, just go to parties any weekend and call people those of type of things, then you come back and tell me how it went. How can you tell me than is rude to tell you than is bad manners insult people?, you make no sense, I am not gonna keep replying you, its pointless to discuss with someone than thinks than insulting people is ok.......
Man, I feel bad for Stephano.. Quite a lot of money lost for a small mistake. I joke about that kind of shit all the time between my best friends (don't tell me I don't have a heart or something, it's good to joke about bad stuff instead of just being mad about everything happening in the world), but when you're at that level you must really be cautious about whether your comments could become public or not. So in theory the comments are serious biz, in reality they aren't but they still will cause some shit.
On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote: Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal.
So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals?
It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia.
Wait....
Anyway, stop arguing semantics.
That's not semantics, it's called a definition.
Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the post above yours.
Wiki quote: "As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies)."
So I'll ask again: Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?
I don't mean to be condescending I just don't understand.
God damn its off topic, but the ignorance is annoying me.
Pedophila is about prepubescent children. Pedophiles are NOT interested in 14 year olds. The whole point is that they are interested in people that have not yet developed the typical secondary sexual characteristics that come with puberty (e.g female breast, male voice etc).
On October 13 2012 10:23 Cygoris wrote: Let's try to be factual about this nonsense, we can only assume he didn't really fuck a kid, otherwise he would be in jail right now, that's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain (he was in the US at the time).
So it was a joke and his team decided to suspend him because... well they thought it wasn't... "appropriate".
If my employer doesn't pay me for one month because he thinks my jokes are not funny I would sue his ass and I would win. Of course he would not, because he has a triple digit IQ and I'm actually very funny.
Bad taste still isn't a crime even in the USA, and for all I know what Stephano did was a private bad joke, that's it. I think Stephano will leave this team very soon.
Dude, you don't go to jail automatically when you commit a crime. This is fresh off the press.
If this makes the rounds and the police look at it, they will decide whether or not to launch an investigation. Then they will try to locate the victim, if there is actually one.
On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote: Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal.
So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals?
You're missing the key point that PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS SERIOUS WHEN THEY SAY BAD THINGS.
Edit: Along with half the posters in this fucking thread.
75% of people on TL will understand that given Stephano's personality it's quite possible that this is a troll. Considering that, two thoughts.
One - It's STILL unacceptable. Like making a joke about cancer or rape, making a joke about sex with minors is a taboo subject and not appropriate for public humor. Private humor when you only represent yourself and it won't get leaked? It still isn't okay, imo, but as long as it's private and stays that way, I suppose you could argue that no-one is hurt (I think that's untrue, but that's another subject!)
Two - Gaming as a whole has a poor reputation. Esports is growing, It is more likely (imo) at this point that a news story about esports would cater to the general idea that we're all slobs who live in their parents' basements and are otherwise disreputable characters. Having a story like this be public AND not get severely punished would be tarnishing the entire face of gaming altogether.
I'd argue that you're missing the key point of A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE HE IS SERIOUS, AND THAT'S REALLY BAD FOR ALL OF US.
I'm gonna disagree and leave this here.Negate the actual video title, I didn't post it.But it's applicable.
Now. Cmon........... Tell me you can watch this.......
Without laughing, there are other rape and cancer related jokes. If you watch the JRE podcast at all, watch or listen to the episode with Tommy Chong, a man with prostate cancer. Making hilarious jokes, about cancer.
In other words, don't try and dictate what is and isn't comedy.
PS: If he is actually having sex with minors, then no NOT COOL STEPHANO.But once again........