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arnster
Profile Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
October 13 2012 01:28 GMT
#641
Quick question unrelated to pedophilia:

Does this mean he won't be in NASL anymore or will he still be able to play those matches?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 01:29:06
October 13 2012 01:28 GMT
#642
On October 13 2012 10:24 emythrel wrote:
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On October 13 2012 10:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:18 Larkin wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.

Anyway, not a big deal.

So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals?



It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia.


Wait....

Anyway, stop arguing semantics.

That's not semantics, it's called a definition.


Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?
Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.



Read the post above yours.


Wiki quote:
"As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies)."

So I'll ask again: Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?

I don't mean to be condescending I just don't understand.


Read it again.... refers to having or wanting to have sex with PREpubescent girls. 14 years old is the age of consent in many counties as generally puberty is considered to have started at the latest at age 13. Even if physically a girl doesn't enter puberty until she is sixteen, by law she would be considered an adult.


Okay so all this arguing that people have done over the use of the word pedophile is because we're talking about a (hypothetical) 14 year old, which would be a year older than the age at which someone is considered matured, or pubescent.

Fair enough. Thanks.

On October 13 2012 10:28 arnster wrote:
Quick question unrelated to pedophilia:

Does this mean he won't be in NASL anymore or will he still be able to play those matches?


How dare you not speak about pedophilia!
AFAIK he won't be playing the NASL matches, no.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
veex23
Profile Joined October 2012
2 Posts
October 13 2012 01:29 GMT
#643
On October 13 2012 10:23 Kettchup wrote:
The hell? Isn't EG US based?

I could understand him getting in trouble in Europe with their weird ass illegal offensive speech laws, but over here we don't have a problem with people joking, no matter what the topic is. Strange.


First sir, the first amendment doesn't give you the right to say anything you want. EG's suspension has more to do with public image than his rights.

You don't see Lebron James, or Payton Manning talking about statutory rape. EG is protecting its image.
Citizen16
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada6 Posts
October 13 2012 01:29 GMT
#644
:O
arnster
Profile Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
October 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#645
How dare you not speak about pedophilia!
AFAIK he won't be playing the NASL matches, no.


Thanks! And that's really unfortunate. What's the point of watching now?
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#646
On October 13 2012 10:25 babylon wrote:
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On October 13 2012 10:16 emythrel wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:10 Strukken wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:07 emythrel wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:02 Strukken wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:00 babylon wrote:
On October 13 2012 09:51 Strukken wrote:
He used the word abuse, that makes his comments very bad, it doesn´t matter wether it happened or the age

There are many progamers than lack largely of any education check out this:
https://ja.twitter.com/LiquidNonY

Tyler Wasieleski ‏@LiquidNonY
man fuck gsl i got fucked on this world championship thing -_- boycott dat shit
3 oct Patrick Soulliere II Patrick Soulliere II ‏@ESVDiamond
@LiquidNonY Great post full of details on why to boycott it instead of a standard progamer QQ rage post. Oh wait.......
3 oct Tyler Wasieleski Tyler Wasieleski ‏@LiquidNonY
@ESVDiamond what the fuck do you know what twitter is lol 140char max aint no posts full of details and explanations. get real bitch

Here we have mr. Nony insulting the CES of ESV TV, you tell me it is like if a football player insulted the boss of UEFA lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nony graduate from Duke? Lol, "lack largely of any education," my ass. He's probably better educated than 90% of TL.


Bad educated doesn´t refer just to have titles but to have good manners, that´s what i meant. Call bitch to the ceo of a big korean tournament through twitter shows very bad manners



Manners, just like morality are subjective and personal. You can not force your personal standards on someone else. Stephen Fry, one of the best educated and most intelligent people on television uses foul language all the time about all kinds of people and is a great proponent of the right to say what you want in any manner (oh the irony) you choose.

SC players are actually very well educated in general, Nony is a very polite guy for the most part. Unlike say NFL players, most of whom wouldn't have got in to college if not for a scholarship to play football. Please, please, please stop thinking that your standards are better than anyone elses.


Ok, right you can call bitch whoever you want whenever you like, if you think those are manners then you don´t think rationally at all man.


Yes you can. You can call anyone a bitch because bitch is just a word. It means female dog, how offensive! Manners are just social niceties, they mean nothing. Just like when you get up from the table while other people are still eating, I get told off by my gf for that all the time and I always reply the same "Then eat faster". Its not up to her what I as an ADULT choose to do.

If I call you a bitch, you can be offended by all means. It was directed at you. Everyone else on the planet has no right to be offended by it however because it wasn't directed at them. When you speak in anger or passion and you are an adult you have a plethora of fantastic swear words available to you and you should feel free to use them, to tell me that I can't use those words because they offend your sense of manners is far more rude.

How in the world is it ruder for someone else to get offended by your manners? It's like if you tried to piss on A's shoes but your splatter hits B as well. Hell, yes, B can be offended even if you didn't mean to piss on him.


You are talking about a physical act not words. Words (in general) can not harm anyone. I have the right to do and say anything I wish unless what I do or say infringes on someone else's right to do the same. Pissing on someone's shoes would physically damage their shoes, saying i was going to piss on them would do nothing. Being offended about something said to someone else is far more rude than expressing yourself in anger.

Calling you a bitch once is completely acceptable. Calling you it 20 times a day, every day is not, it is abuse. There is a huge difference. Seriously, you can PM me can call me every name under the sun, I will not get offended because they are just words and besides I can swear in 5 different languages, I'm pretty sure I have been called it all before ;p
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#647
People here look way to much at the player itself and less at what he represents in these situations.
Yea, it can be used as a funny joke when you are chatting with friends when you aren't popular or famous.
The moment you are and you represent something (in Stephano's case EG) you better watch where you say what.
It's simple how it goes. You don't hear movie stars kidding around "well yea, yesterday i raped this schoolgirl i picked up".
Oh and for the people that try to compare it to dark comedy, please don't. its so completely different its not even funny.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#648
On October 13 2012 10:30 arnster wrote:
Show nested quote +
How dare you not speak about pedophilia!
AFAIK he won't be playing the NASL matches, no.


Thanks! And that's really unfortunate. What's the point of watching now?


The first korean to win a foreign tournament in a while? Root for the underdog!
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
October 13 2012 01:31 GMT
#649
On October 13 2012 10:26 shizaep wrote:
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On October 13 2012 10:21 Fyodor wrote:
On October 13 2012 10:18 shizaep wrote:
Oh, he made a joke to a buddy about sleeping with a 14yo. It might have been poorly worded/distasteful but it's not really a big deal in the slightest.

I hate the way this community takes up torches and pitchforks on anyone who says something that isn't perfectly politically correct.

he ADMITTED TO A CRIME which carries up to 15 YEARS of prison sentence in your country. Wake up dude.

the internet pitchforks is the least he has to worry about right now.


What the fuck are you talking about? He vaguely said something about "abusing" a 14yo. He probably meant he just slept with her. We don't know what the details are so we cannot really say. IMO, it's not a big deal. At all. 14yo have sex all the time. I know from living in NA that everything that could possibly considered a sexual action is considered rape and everything that isn't perfectly politically correct is a hate crime. It's not.

I made a comment about the Law and that's how it interprets sex with a 14 year old in Canada; rape with 15(?) years prison sentence, permanent registration in the sex criminal database.
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bakarin
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan121 Posts
October 13 2012 01:31 GMT
#650
So let me get this straight,

You people hate homophobic jokes but tolerate implied pedophilia jokes?
akari~n
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 13 2012 01:32 GMT
#651
I'm going to give Stephano the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't actually diddle a minor. And although I've never joked about sexual relations with underage girls even with my closest friends, and don't really see how it can be amusing, I get that people find all sorts of things funny. As for EG's response, it was the only course of action they could take. I don't see why some of you are criticising them. If someone like Lebron or Messi was caught joking about this kind of thing, private or not, do you really think they wouldn't be punished by their teams? In fact it would arguably be more severe. If people want esports to be taken more seriously, you have to stamp out stuff like this.
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Kasu
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom345 Posts
October 13 2012 01:33 GMT
#652
On October 13 2012 10:31 bakarin wrote:
So let me get this straight,

You people hate homophobic jokes but tolerate implied pedophilia jokes?

If by "tolerate" you mean "drama in multiple threads and punishments amounting to thousands of dollars", then yes.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 13 2012 01:33 GMT
#653
On October 13 2012 10:23 Kettchup wrote:
The hell? Isn't EG US based?

I could understand him getting in trouble in Europe with their weird ass illegal offensive speech laws, but over here we don't have a problem with people joking, no matter what the topic is. Strange.

Try to say the N word in front a of a couple black people then and say after that you were joking.
No matter the topic eh..
Free speech doesn't mean you can flap what you want. If you say "suck my dick" to a cop you can bet your ass he will take you away no matter your free speech nonsense.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
October 13 2012 01:33 GMT
#654
On October 13 2012 10:31 bakarin wrote:
So let me get this straight,

You people hate homophobic jokes but tolerate implied pedophilia jokes?

What do you mean, 'you people'..?!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 13 2012 01:34 GMT
#655
On October 13 2012 10:26 shizaep wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about? He vaguely said something about "abusing" a 14yo. He probably meant he just slept with her. We don't know what the details are so we cannot really say. IMO, it's not a big deal. At all. 14yo have sex all the time. I know from living in NA that everything that could possibly considered a sexual action is considered rape and everything that isn't perfectly politically correct is a hate crime. It's not.


Oh, we're just talking about a 19 yo potentially having sex with a 14 yo. No big deal.
What fucking world do you live in?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vermiiifuuge
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)112 Posts
October 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#656
On October 13 2012 10:31 bakarin wrote:
So let me get this straight,

You people hate homophobic jokes but tolerate implied pedophilia jokes?

It's impossible to determine whether it was a joke or not. Please be objective.
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
October 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#657
On October 13 2012 10:31 bakarin wrote:
So let me get this straight,

You people hate homophobic jokes but tolerate implied pedophilia jokes?

Yeah that sounds like Reddit in a nutshell.
OrangeApples
Profile Joined January 2011
137 Posts
October 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#658
On October 13 2012 10:18 shizaep wrote:
Oh, he made a joke to a buddy about sleeping with a 14yo. It might have been poorly worded/distasteful but it's not really a big deal in the slightest.

I hate the way this community takes up torches and pitchforks on anyone who says something that isn't perfectly politically correct.


These kind of things can be taken lightly in a private 1on1 situation, its a different story when public.

Person jokes about raping a child to a friend at his house

Person jokes about raping a child to the friend in public where everyone hears him, now lets say the police overheard him or someone that shouldn't now has

Results will vary, but mostly negative. Use your common sense... unless its sorely lacking.

Its like if you joked about killing someone. Get it?
bakarin
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan121 Posts
October 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#659
On October 13 2012 10:33 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 10:31 bakarin wrote:
So let me get this straight,

You people hate homophobic jokes but tolerate implied pedophilia jokes?

What do you mean, 'you people'..?!


Majority of TLers I see are like that
akari~n
beme
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil12 Posts
October 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#660

Hahahahah.

Never trust a protoss Stephano must have thought.

haahahahaha
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