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On October 13 2012 10:10 Strukken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:07 emythrel wrote:On October 13 2012 10:02 Strukken wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 babylon wrote:On October 13 2012 09:51 Strukken wrote:He used the word abuse, that makes his comments very bad, it doesn´t matter wether it happened or the age There are many progamers than lack largely of any education check out this: https://ja.twitter.com/LiquidNonYTyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY man fuck gsl i got fucked on this world championship thing -_- boycott dat shit 3 oct Patrick Soulliere II Patrick Soulliere II @ESVDiamond @LiquidNonY Great post full of details on why to boycott it instead of a standard progamer QQ rage post. Oh wait....... 3 oct Tyler Wasieleski Tyler Wasieleski @LiquidNonY @ESVDiamond what the fuck do you know what twitter is lol 140char max aint no posts full of details and explanations. get real bitch Here we have mr. Nony insulting the CES of ESV TV, you tell me it is like if a football player insulted the boss of UEFA lol Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nony graduate from Duke? Lol, "lack largely of any education," my ass. He's probably better educated than 90% of TL. Bad educated doesn´t refer just to have titles but to have good manners, that´s what i meant. Call bitch to the ceo of a big korean tournament through twitter shows very bad manners Manners, just like morality are subjective and personal. You can not force your personal standards on someone else. Stephen Fry, one of the best educated and most intelligent people on television uses foul language all the time about all kinds of people and is a great proponent of the right to say what you want in any manner (oh the irony) you choose. SC players are actually very well educated in general, Nony is a very polite guy for the most part. Unlike say NFL players, most of whom wouldn't have got in to college if not for a scholarship to play football. Please, please, please stop thinking that your standards are better than anyone elses. Ok, right you can call bitch whoever you want whenever you like, if you think those are manners then you don´t think rationally at all man.
Yes you can. You can call anyone a bitch because bitch is just a word. It means female dog, how offensive! Manners are just social niceties, they mean nothing. Just like when you get up from the table while other people are still eating, I get told off by my gf for that all the time and I always reply the same "Then eat faster". Its not up to her what I as an ADULT choose to do.
If I call you a bitch, you can be offended by all means. It was directed at you. Everyone else on the planet has no right to be offended by it however because it wasn't directed at them. When you speak in anger or passion and you are an adult you have a plethora of fantastic swear words available to you and you should feel free to use them, to tell me that I can't use those words because they offend your sense of manners is far more rude.
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On October 13 2012 09:57 Sc2Null wrote:
Not sure why stephano joined EG in the first place, god knows he didn't need the money...Now all his behavior will be policed and EG has the right to stop him from joining tounaments.
Considering he would like to go into medicine after this (that could change) I'm sure he doesn't like the idea of not going to tournaments where he has a good chance to win. They could always use more money.
Anyway, EG is taking a firm stance right away on the situation so the player knows where they stand.
I'll speak for myself. I'm not the type of guy who goes around telling his friends I just had sex regardless of their fucking age. If Stephano left that crap out and didn't depict it in such a negative way chances are we wouldn't be here discussing it.
This is EG's way of saying regulate what you say a little more and beware of your audience. If you're going to say something stupid make sure it's someone you trust and someone who isn't streaming/recording that shit because odds are it will backfire.
It's really not that complicated.
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On October 13 2012 10:16 Fyodor wrote:
Satouri has proven to be extremely antisocial and exacting poor judgment on several occasions. I don't know why you guys are so quick to grant him the benefit of the doubt that he was kidding.
He was joking.. He stated that on his twitter account.
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On October 13 2012 10:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wow, God, what the hell. Take that can of worms and close it back up, this thread could explode about yet another unrelated tangent.
Another guy said that, but I'll reply to you since you were last.
Paedophilia is a love of children. Child abuse and paedophila are separate things.
Once a child becomes a teenager, the word paedophilia stops applying, it becomes ephebophilia.
It is something that needs to be considered because of people carelessly using the wrong words in regards to comments made on the internet, when people genuinely have suffered from abuse. It makes their situation seem so less grave that this level of a shitstorm is being kicked up.
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On October 13 2012 10:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. That's not semantics, it's called a definition.
Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile?
Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
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On October 13 2012 10:12 Staboteur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:03 Kasu wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? You're missing the key point that PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS SERIOUS WHEN THEY SAY BAD THINGS. Edit: Along with half the posters in this fucking thread. 75% of people on TL will understand that given Stephano's personality it's quite possible that this is a troll. Considering that, two thoughts. One - It's STILL unacceptable. Like making a joke about cancer or rape, making a joke about sex with minors is a taboo subject and not appropriate for public humor. Private humor when you only represent yourself and it won't get leaked? It still isn't okay, imo, but as long as it's private and stays that way, I suppose you could argue that no-one is hurt (I think that's untrue, but that's another subject!) Two - Gaming as a whole has a poor reputation. Esports is growing, It is more likely (imo) at this point that a news story about esports would cater to the general idea that we're all slobs who live in their parents' basements and are otherwise disreputable characters. Having a story like this be public AND not get severely punished would be tarnishing the entire face of gaming altogether. I'd argue that you're missing the key point of A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE HE IS SERIOUS, AND THAT'S REALLY BAD FOR ALL OF US.
I know it is still unacceptable. If you read the comment I replied to, it is clear that all I was saying was that the people you refer to in your last point, who ignore context for the sake of drama, need to stop being idiots. I didn't miss that point, it is exactly what I was complaining about.
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On October 13 2012 10:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. That's not semantics, it's called a definition. Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the post above yours.
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On October 13 2012 10:17 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wow, God, what the hell. Take that can of worms and close it back up, this thread could explode about yet another unrelated tangent. Another guy said that, but I'll reply to you since you were last. Paedophilia is a love of children. Child abuse and paedophila are separate things. Once a child becomes a teenager, the word paedophilia stops applying, it becomes ephebophilia. It is something that needs to be considered because of people carelessly using the wrong words in regards to comments made on the internet, when people genuinely have suffered from abuse. It makes their situation seem so less grave that this level of a shitstorm is being kicked up.
Even this is wrong. Ephebophilia is a preference for a certain age. Not a single action.
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On October 13 2012 10:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. That's not semantics, it's called a definition.
which is what "arguing semantics" means. It's being too pointy with definitions when both parties clearly understand the matter at hand without resorting to definition checking.
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Oh, he made a joke to a buddy about sleeping with a 14yo. It might have been poorly worded/distasteful but it's not really a big deal in the slightest.
I hate the way this community takes up torches and pitchforks on anyone who says something that isn't perfectly politically correct.
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On October 13 2012 10:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. That's not semantics, it's called a definition. Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are wrong. A 14 year old is not a prepubescent child.
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On October 13 2012 10:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. That's not semantics, it's called a definition. Doesn't having sex with a 14 year old imply interest in a 14 year old, and therefore make you a pedophile? Can't say I'm incredibly educated on the subject so please correct me if I'm wrong.
No, it makes you an ephebophile.
And abusing children does not mean you had sex with them.
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On October 13 2012 10:17 SilSol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:16 Fyodor wrote:
Satouri has proven to be extremely antisocial and exacting poor judgment on several occasions. I don't know why you guys are so quick to grant him the benefit of the doubt that he was kidding. He was joking.. He stated that on his twitter account.
I'm sure he was joking, but repeating this as some kind of evidence is pretty stupid. That's like declaring a criminal innocent because he said he "didn't do it."
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On October 13 2012 10:18 shizaep wrote:
Oh, he made a joke to a buddy about sleeping with a 14yo. It might have been poorly worded/distasteful but it's not really a big deal in the slightest.
I hate the way this community takes up torches and pitchforks on anyone who says something that isn't perfectly politically correct.
Error, this time, it was more the ShitRedditSay ''community'' that went apeshit on that... and contacted sponsors..
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haha, what a joke. This community makes me sick sometimes.
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On October 13 2012 10:18 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:17 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote:On October 13 2012 10:00 Fyodor wrote:On October 13 2012 09:58 Psychobabas wrote:
Meh I've heard worse in my local pub over a cheap beer.
Anyway, not a big deal. So you hang out with pedophiles and sex criminals? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wow, God, what the hell. Take that can of worms and close it back up, this thread could explode about yet another unrelated tangent. Another guy said that, but I'll reply to you since you were last. Paedophilia is a love of children. Child abuse and paedophila are separate things. Once a child becomes a teenager, the word paedophilia stops applying, it becomes ephebophilia. It is something that needs to be considered because of people carelessly using the wrong words in regards to comments made on the internet, when people genuinely have suffered from abuse. It makes their situation seem so less grave that this level of a shitstorm is being kicked up. Even this is wrong. Ephebophilia is a preference for a certain age. Not a single action.
I didn't say it was. Nowhere.
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If that screenshot was what he did ... seems like he should have known better than to say that, streamed or not.
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On October 13 2012 10:18 shizaep wrote:
Oh, he made a joke to a buddy about sleeping with a 14yo. It might have been poorly worded/distasteful but it's not really a big deal in the slightest.
I hate the way this community takes up torches and pitchforks on anyone who says something that isn't perfectly politically correct.
he ADMITTED TO A CRIME which carries up to 15 YEARS of prison sentence in your country. Wake up dude.
the internet pitchforks is the least he has to worry about right now.
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On October 13 2012 10:13 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:05 revel8 wrote:
Too many people here seem to be getting confused because they don't seem to realise that age of consent differs in various countries. In my country the age of consent is 16. Stephano just came back from DreamHack Valencia, Spain where the age of consent is 13. He is now going to Korea where the age of consent is 14!
So all those outraged about Stephano for joking about abusing a 14 yr old, should perhaps realise you are also criticising Spain and Korea because they have different views on this than you. It's not as if Stephano has been hanging around Lucifron and Koreans a lot recently!
In Germany a 19 year old having consensual sex with a 14 year old would be perfectly legal, too. In France the girl would have to be 15, but even with 14 it would still be something noone makes a fuss about. Its just the Americans coming in here throwing this "statutory rape" term around that noone in Europe even heard about and trying to impose their morals onto others.
isnt that what americans do best?
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Ironically this has really demonstrated the professional way in which EG is run. This is a very well handled PR statement and honestly resembles the professionally written PR you might see in other, more established. EG is unequivocally setting the bar for pro esports teams and that's one of the reasons they can count me as a fan.
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