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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:03 Kasu wrote: You're missing the key point that PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS SERIOUS WHEN THEY SAY BAD THINGS. Of course people aren't always serious when they say bad things. But don't pretend that other people don't have the right to be offended and to exact ... uh, consequences on you when you say something they don't like. | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote: In what way is this paedophilia? It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. It's really starting to piss me off that people are just throwing around words like "paedophilia" and "rape". Neither of those things are remotely true. Until he's been proven to have actually done anything with a 14 year old, the only thing that should be punished are the comments - and EG's course of action seems totally appropriate and necessary. I know of the ephebophile but most people wouldn't know what I'm talking about so I used pedophile. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote: It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:03 Kasu wrote: You're missing the key point that PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS SERIOUS WHEN THEY SAY BAD THINGS. Edit: Along with half the posters in this fucking thread. 75% of people on TL will understand that given Stephano's personality it's quite possible that this is a troll. Considering that, two thoughts. One - It's STILL unacceptable. Like making a joke about cancer or rape, making a joke about sex with minors is a taboo subject and not appropriate for public humor. Private humor when you only represent yourself and it won't get leaked? It still isn't okay, imo, but as long as it's private and stays that way, I suppose you could argue that no-one is hurt (I think that's untrue, but that's another subject!) Two - Gaming as a whole has a poor reputation. Esports is growing, It is more likely (imo) at this point that a news story about esports would cater to the general idea that we're all slobs who live in their parents' basements and are otherwise disreputable characters. Having a story like this be public AND not get severely punished would be tarnishing the entire face of gaming altogether. I'd argue that you're missing the key point of A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE HE IS SERIOUS, AND THAT'S REALLY BAD FOR ALL OF US. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On October 13 2012 09:00 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: His month's salary should be given to the family of the 14 year old he ruthlessly attacked. R.I.P. chastity On October 13 2012 09:19 magnaflow wrote: Hope he used protection, wouldn't want that poor little girl to catch the curse | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Nope, they shouldn't have. You gotta draw the line on manufactured outrage somewhere. Too many nerds with not enough drama in their life. On October 13 2012 10:08 jmbthirteen wrote: you don't understand why sponsors would care about their most famous player saying he abused a 14 year old? how don't you understand that.... The sponsors wouldn't care, until a bunch of whiny nerds started bugging them about it. Then they have to pretend to care, because I'm sure they still don't. | ||
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kuan888
Canada305 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. That's not semantics, it's called a definition. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:05 revel8 wrote: Too many people here seem to be getting confused because they don't seem to realise that age of consent differs in various countries. In my country the age of consent is 16. Stephano just came back from DreamHack Valencia, Spain where the age of consent is 13. He is now going to Korea where the age of consent is 14! So all those outraged about Stephano for joking about abusing a 14 yr old, should perhaps realise you are also criticising Spain and Korea because they have different views on this than you. It's not as if Stephano has been hanging around Lucifron and Koreans a lot recently! In Germany a 19 year old having consensual sex with a 14 year old would be perfectly legal, too. In France the girl would have to be 15, but even with 14 it would still be something noone makes a fuss about. Its just the Americans coming in here throwing this "statutory rape" term around that noone in Europe even heard about and trying to impose their morals onto others. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:08 Larkin wrote: It was a comment about a 14 year old, not admission or evidence over a love of children. Abusing teenagers is nothing like paedophilia. Wow, God, what the hell. Take that can of worms and close it back up, this thread could explode about yet another unrelated tangent. | ||
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StateofReverie
United States633 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:10 Jojo131 wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure by abuse he meant "took his lunch money". I get that its important sometimes to be politically correct, but come on. Hey yeah, let's take my words and push them to the extreme to try and make me look silly, rather than accepting the truth of my words or arguing against them. It's nothing to do with what the abuse was or how politically correct we have to be, it's to do with the fact that, as of now, they are JUST WORDS. Suggesting that he raped someone or is a paedophile is nothing short of offensive to people who have actually been subject to rape or paedophilia. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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JyB
France466 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Wait.... Anyway, stop arguing semantics. Lets call everyone paedophiles or rape criminals, cause who cares about semantics ? | ||
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Kasu
United Kingdom345 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:11 babylon wrote: Of course people aren't always serious when they say bad things. But don't pretend that other people don't have the right to be offended and to exact ... uh, consequences on you when you say something they don't like. It's not about the consequences, which I agree were deserved. Its about people utterly ignoring that he was joking and accusing him of pedophilia. | ||
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Eigencl
United Kingdom3 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On October 13 2012 10:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Wow, God, what the hell. Take that can of worms and close it back up, this thread could explode about yet another unrelated tangent. It already exploded, when people started calling this pedophilia. Talk about a tangent. | ||
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g0rthaur
United States4 Posts
I just really dislike the idea that being easily offended and quick to moral indignation is a sign of progress. Its not. To me, its progress when we can tolerate other people (including jokes and offhand remarks). Pretty much the same feeling I had with the Orb controversy. Lame. | ||
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Mvrio
689 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
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