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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 25 2013 04:31 Bojas wrote: Honestly I doubt if we will ever see any of the documentaries that arent released yet...StarNation etc.. You people need to learn how to use twitter. All the updates for both of these documentaries are on there. They are editing and putting the firm together, which normally takes longer that shooting the film. | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On June 17 2013 23:16 Noobity wrote: Realistically the editing can be done in Adobe AfterEffects pretty simply. This isn't to say it's not time consuming, just simple. Assuming they've been filming as much as I assume they've been that's probably thousands of hours they need to get through to get what they need if they want to do it right. aftereffects cant edit anything, it's an effect program, as the name even states, to create video effects, but not editing. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On July 25 2013 04:44 Cinim wrote: aftereffects cant edit anything, it's an effect program, as the name even states, to create video effects, but not editing. He probably meant premiere. And it's possible to do editing in after effects, it's just very ineficient because the program wasn't made for it. | ||
Waxangel
United States33715 Posts
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fraGGer
United Kingdom51 Posts
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fraGGer
United Kingdom51 Posts
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:42 fraGGer wrote: Oh and scary that Starnation (which I'd forgotten about) closed its kickstarter funding more than 2 years ago now. That's got to be longer than your average hollywood summer blockbuster! Documentaries typically take far longer to create than an action film... A couple years isn't that long compared to the documentaries I've seen. | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:15 Waxangel wrote: While you're waiting, why not watch liquid rising? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R2Ep6L5gIA No thanks. I already regret watching it the first time.  Doing a JP real talk with all liquid members and splicing it together and then calling it a liquid documentary would have been more interesting as a documentary than the original.  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:42 fraGGer wrote: Oh and scary that Starnation (which I'd forgotten about) closed its kickstarter funding more than 2 years ago now. That's got to be longer than your average hollywood summer blockbuster! Most movies take 2 years to make and they are scripted, meaning they know the story when they are created. Star Nation has to make the narrative from the all the film they got from going to all these events. I know it seems easy, but making something out of raw, unscripted video that makes sense and is compelling is very hard. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:57 Canucklehead wrote: No thanks. I already regret watching it the first time. Doing a JP real talk with all liquid members and splicing it together and then calling it a liquid documentary would have been more interesting as a documentary than the original. Could this possibly be the most bm thing ever to come out of Canada? | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:59 Plansix wrote: Most movies take 2 years to make and they are scripted, meaning they know the story when they are created. Star Nation has to make the narrative from the all the film they got from going to all these events. I know it seems easy, but making something out of raw, unscripted video that makes sense and is compelling is very hard. I have to wonder are you the resident TL apologist? It doesn't matter what thread it is, but whenever someone has a complaint, you're there acting as an apologist for the criticized party. Whether, it's MLG, WCS/Dota 2 conflict, EG's papa john's deal, this documentary, etc you're always there ready with excuses to defend the party. On July 25 2013 06:02 Junichi wrote: Could this possibly be the most bm thing ever to come out of Canada? Heh, well it's true in my opinion! The liquid doc essentially was all sit down interviews spliced together. JP does good work with his real talks, so it would have essentially been the same thing, but only better and cheaper to produce! | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:56 HornyHerring wrote: It's probably never comming out. Dunno if it was supposed to be a scam or not but it certainly looks like one now. Feel bad for people that actually gave him money. ?? I'm confused as to how you came to this decision | ||
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Atokad
United States204 Posts
On June 12 2013 11:27 SirPinky wrote: FYI: One of the best, professional, documentaries I've seen is "The King of Kong" about professional Donkey Kong players. It follows one guy that picked it up in his mid-30's and became his quest to win the championship. It even had some drama about how his world record score was not counted b/c he was accused of adjusting "tweaking" the Motherboard to attain his score; only to have to prove himself at a live event. This is how a documentary should be made. It got very good reviews and was actually in many "Indie" theaters in the US. Absolutely the best documentary I'll ever see. Gotta go watch it again now lol | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 25 2013 06:03 Canucklehead wrote: I have to wonder are you the resident TL apologist? It doesn't matter what thread it is, but whenever someone has a complaint, you're there acting as an apologist for the criticized party. Whether, it's MLG, WCS/Dota 2 conflict, EG's papa john's deal, this documentary, etc you're always there ready with excuses to defend the party. Its not really being an apologist, I just don't get as outraged as other people on the internet and I try to see more than one side. A lot of people make statements on the internet like: "That’s longer than most blockbuster movies" and people latch onto those statements and pile on with further complaints. But most people don't know that Blockbuster movies are produced at a break neck pace to avoid costs(since shooting is very costly) and are run on a tight schedule. The same is not true for a documentary, which is created through raw film. But if no one says then the thread will continue and people hating on them because they saw the Thor trailer last year and will see the new movie in November. I mean, look at this thread. Someone just bumped it wanting to know what was up with these movies and they could have just found out by searching twitter, but now people are complaining because stuff isn’t coming at the speed they think it should. Apologist is a shitty internet label anyways. It used for anyone who isn’t outraged or just want to provide other information, as well as people who are fanboys. If you say, “well that’s true, but…” you are an apologist because you are trying to see it from the other side. Most discussions that I have with friend focus around finding out more about a subject, rather than complaining. But the internet isn’t like that, people just post their first impressions of something with the limited amount of information they have. And if you think about it, most peoples first impressions of something like a policy or press release, are pretty worthless. I don’t like doing that and try to find out “why’ some is the way it is. I also email people directly(MLG, Blizzard) rather than shout on the internet hoping they will notice me. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
On July 25 2013 06:02 Junichi wrote: Could this possibly be the most bm thing ever to come out of Canada? CombatEX!? No, but for real, I don't see anything bm in what he is saying. JP's real talk is basically the same, the interviews are just not spliced together and called a documentary. Liquid Rising was well-produced and the interviews fairly interesting, but it never moved beyond that to tell a story or investigate the roots of TL. On topic, I am also looking forward to Sons of starcraft (and the other coming documentaries), but I am afraid they're growing somewhat old due the editing time (ie. the sections filmed are old and some players may have grown irrelevant over time). | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On July 25 2013 06:18 JKM wrote: CombatEX!? No, but for real, I don't see anything bm in what he is saying. JP's real talk is basically the same, the interviews are just not spliced together and called a documentary. Liquid Rising was well-produced and the interviews fairly interesting, but it never moved beyond that to tell a story or investigate the roots of TL. On topic, I am also looking forward to Sons of starcraft (and the other coming documentaries), but I am afraid they're growing somewhat old due the editing time (ie. the sections filmed are old and some players may have grown irrelevant over time). CombatEX has stayed true to his Canadian-ness by making at least a dozen apology videos. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On July 25 2013 05:59 Plansix wrote: Most movies take 2 years to make and they are scripted, meaning they know the story when they are created. Star Nation has to make the narrative from the all the film they got from going to all these events. I know it seems easy, but making something out of raw, unscripted video that makes sense and is compelling is very hard. it's not easy but when they received over $20,000 in kickstarter funds and have failed to produce in a timely manner then there needs to be some accountability. it seems more like the community kickstarted a two year vacation under the guise of developing a narrative. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 25 2013 06:31 Terranist wrote: it's not easy but when they received over $20,000 in kickstarter funds and have failed to produce in a timely manner then there needs to be some accountability. it seems more like the community kickstarted a two year vacation under the guise of developing a narrative. Its Kickstarter, it is basicly charity or gambling. If it never comes out, that is the risk you take. People who want accountability from kickstarter need to re-read the terms of service. However, they have said they are working on it and likely want to make sure what they make is good. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On July 25 2013 06:35 Plansix wrote: Its Kickstarter, it is basicly charity or gambling. If it never comes out, that is the risk you take. People who want accountability from kickstarter need to re-read the terms of service. However, they have said they are working on it and likely want to make sure what they make is good. just because it's a donation doesn't mean there has to be no accountability. $20,000 is a substantial amount of money to receive for a project that shows no signs of progression in the last year. talk is cheap and $20,000 should buy the community more than a few blog updates per year. | ||
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