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On July 25 2013 06:31 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:59 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 05:42 fraGGer wrote:
Oh and scary that Starnation (which I'd forgotten about) closed its kickstarter funding more than 2 years ago now. That's got to be longer than your average hollywood summer blockbuster! Most movies take 2 years to make and they are scripted, meaning they know the story when they are created. Star Nation has to make the narrative from the all the film they got from going to all these events. I know it seems easy, but making something out of raw, unscripted video that makes sense and is compelling is very hard. it's not easy but when they received over $20,000 in kickstarter funds and have failed to produce in a timely manner then there needs to be some accountability. it seems more like the community kickstarted a two year vacation under the guise of developing a narrative.
People who keep regurgitating this argument really need to get a clue.
This is how quality documentaries are made. They follow people/issues over an extended time period.
If you whiners would rather have them put out a shitty documentary, then by all means keep regurgitating this retarded opinion/notion that there's some unspoken 1-year-limit to be adhered to for documentary film production.
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I'm all for waiting for something to get a quality product instead of shit(I never complained about HL3 taking too long etc.), but the scary thing with Kickstarter-projects is that you suddenly are afraid that you never will receive the product.
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On July 25 2013 06:46 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:31 Terranist wrote:On July 25 2013 05:59 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 05:42 fraGGer wrote:
Oh and scary that Starnation (which I'd forgotten about) closed its kickstarter funding more than 2 years ago now. That's got to be longer than your average hollywood summer blockbuster! Most movies take 2 years to make and they are scripted, meaning they know the story when they are created. Star Nation has to make the narrative from the all the film they got from going to all these events. I know it seems easy, but making something out of raw, unscripted video that makes sense and is compelling is very hard. it's not easy but when they received over $20,000 in kickstarter funds and have failed to produce in a timely manner then there needs to be some accountability. it seems more like the community kickstarted a two year vacation under the guise of developing a narrative. People who keep regurgitating this argument really need to get a clue. This is how quality documentaries are made. They follow people/issues over an extended time period. If you whiners would rather have them put out a shitty documentary, then by all means keep regurgitating this retarded opinion/notion that there's some unspoken 1-year-limit to be adhered to for documentary film production.
quality documentaries are also made by people with strong work ethics and organized production schedules. we've seen progress on the project come to a complete halt since he received kickstarter fund and it's alarming if it takes this long to put together a narrative.
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On July 25 2013 06:51 Arnstein wrote:
I'm all for waiting for something to get a quality product instead of shit(I never complained about HL3 taking too long etc.), but the scary thing with Kickstarter-projects is that you suddenly are afraid that you never will receive the product.
Anyone who expects ANYTHING from donating to a kickstarter (yes, it's donating, no, you're not buying shit) is a fool. You're talking about giving money to people who you don't know with intentions that may vary from what they've presented to you on the website. Just because some random internet stranger says he'll give you shit for donating to his cause doesn't mean he will do it, nor does it mean he has to. No one is legally obliged to give you anything.
Kickstarter is for suckers, and I've thought that from the beginning. Yeah, it's an idea that CAN work given certain people, but it's an easy way to scam people. Not saying that it was made for that, but christ almighty, when you give money to people you don't know at all, you shouldn't ever expect them to follow through. Not being a pessimist, just suggesting that you shouldn't trust people you don't know. That should be obvious to people, but it's not.
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On July 25 2013 07:04 hoby2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:51 Arnstein wrote:
I'm all for waiting for something to get a quality product instead of shit(I never complained about HL3 taking too long etc.), but the scary thing with Kickstarter-projects is that you suddenly are afraid that you never will receive the product.
Anyone who expects ANYTHING from donating to a kickstarter (yes, it's donating, no, you're not buying shit) is a fool. You're talking about giving money to people who you don't know with intentions that may vary from what they've presented to you on the website. Just because some random internet stranger says he'll give you shit for donating to his cause doesn't mean he will do it, nor does it mean he has to. No one is legally obliged to give you anything. Kickstarter is for suckers, and I've thought that from the beginning. Yeah, it's an idea that CAN work given certain people, but it's an easy way to scam people. Not saying that it was made for that, but christ almighty, when you give money to people you don't know at all, you shouldn't ever expect them to follow through. Not being a pessimist, just suggesting that you shouldn't trust people you don't know. That should be obvious to people, but it's not.
this is simply not true. project creators are legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their projects,
http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter
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I really don't think we are ever gonna see any of the those SC documentarys out lol.
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On July 25 2013 07:19 HeeroFX wrote:
I really don't think we are ever gonna see any of the those SC documentarys out lol.
they certainly missed their window or had very bad projections on where SC2 would be in 2013/2014. I will still watch every single one that ends up actually coming out though.
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On July 25 2013 07:10 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:04 hoby2000 wrote:On July 25 2013 06:51 Arnstein wrote:
I'm all for waiting for something to get a quality product instead of shit(I never complained about HL3 taking too long etc.), but the scary thing with Kickstarter-projects is that you suddenly are afraid that you never will receive the product.
Anyone who expects ANYTHING from donating to a kickstarter (yes, it's donating, no, you're not buying shit) is a fool. You're talking about giving money to people who you don't know with intentions that may vary from what they've presented to you on the website. Just because some random internet stranger says he'll give you shit for donating to his cause doesn't mean he will do it, nor does it mean he has to. No one is legally obliged to give you anything. Kickstarter is for suckers, and I've thought that from the beginning. Yeah, it's an idea that CAN work given certain people, but it's an easy way to scam people. Not saying that it was made for that, but christ almighty, when you give money to people you don't know at all, you shouldn't ever expect them to follow through. Not being a pessimist, just suggesting that you shouldn't trust people you don't know. That should be obvious to people, but it's not. this is simply not true. project creators are legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their projects, http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter
That is true, they are legally obligated. However that doesn't mean people don't run out of money, and it doesn't state a time frame of when they have to fulfill the promises. So you can say "It will be finished in 10 years time" and there isn't anything that can be done.
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
They've got over 40k according to the kickstarter as far as I remember.
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On July 25 2013 07:21 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:19 HeeroFX wrote:
I really don't think we are ever gonna see any of the those SC documentarys out lol. they certainly missed their window or had very bad projections on where SC2 would be in 2013/2014. I will still watch every single one that ends up actually coming out though.
There are so many of them too. Documentary after documentary were announced during Wings of Liberty. The scene has changed so much since and I'm sure a lot of the actual footage/interviews are outdated as well. It would of helped sc2 e-sports a lot if these documentaries had come out instead of just put out a trailer and then no news ever.
Another example are "my life for aiur" "good game" and "star nation" all of which were mostly funded by the community.
Yes, alright, quality comes with time. But when your funding comes from actual people who will get NOTHING out of their donation (as opposed to actual sponsors who get exposure), you should be practically on your knees, updating, tweeting, blogging letting the community know their money isn't going to waste.
Kickstarter is so magnificent as it gives people with great ideas the opportunity to make them become a reality but that won't happen if people continuously get screwed over. I think the Oculus Rift is a great example of how to do things right. We constantly see updates, people actually got what they pledged for and they respond to community criticism and ideas.
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oh man that's funny.
ot: probably never coming out, go watch liquid rising, I hope that guy enjoyed his vacation money.
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For someone with 28k posts you're rather negative.
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As of now the film is scheduled to be released in Spring 2013.
from update 3 (october 20, 2012)
a little annoying to not be getting any updates.
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On July 25 2013 08:50 Dodgin wrote:oh man that's funny. ot: probably never coming out, go watch liquid rising, I hope that guy enjoyed his vacation money.
Yeah, Sons of Starcraft does seem to have fallen off a bit, sadly. Who knows what is going on with them.
Star Nation however had this update:
"Star Nation @StarNationMovie 9 Jul(2013
@alex1cannon did a private screening of the assembly cut, got feedback from our non-gaming filmmaker friends. Justin's working on the rough."
So it looks like they are still on track. Hopefully Sons of Starcraft releases something soon.
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I asked Tasteless (or it might've been Artosis) on his stream chat a couple weeks ago; he said they were still editing and that there is a lot of editing. That's all I got.
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mvp didnt win 3 gsls in 2 months...this shit took years. Give it time...it takes more then a year for a good player to become a great player
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Northern Ireland26021 Posts
It may be taking time, but at least judging from the trailer it looks like it's going to be worth a wait in terms of production values.
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On July 25 2013 10:07 Wombat_NI wrote:
It may be taking time, but at least judging from the trailer it looks like it's going to be worth a wait in terms of production values.
I mean, I think that the content material is something that really benefits it. It might be harder to do a documentary on something that is very time-sensitive, like someone winning or being hot at the moment etc. But the story of Nick/Dan is something that is pretty time-less in eSportS hiStory. One might say it's a precious jewel sewn into the delicate fabric that is eSporTS.
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i really hope it's a great production, but i don't think anything is worth this ridiculous wait (by that i mean any content that we've seen in the community so far, not anything period).
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Northern Ireland26021 Posts
Duke Nukem Forever was totally worth the wait, have patience
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