On August 14 2013 06:43 FatkiddsLag wrote: Everyone gave Team Liquid shit for their documentary not being up to everyones standards, but at least they put one out. Look what happened to everyone elses.
TL confirmed best documentary. #1 out of 1. Have to say, I'm quite disappointed all of the others haven't been released yet.
It's takes 3-5 years to get a movie from concept to script to film to theaters. Documentaries work in reverse, since they "write" the story after the film. Creating the film might take longer than filming it.
None of that matters, I don't get the point of this post, I don't see the relevance. Can you elaborate on what point you're trying to make? . These documentaries gave us a detailed timeline for their individual projects and they're all extremely behind with little to no communication to it's investors aka the crowd sourced community. That's the problem. Everyone knows making a good movie/doc is hard and it takes time. What we need to know is why these crowd sourced projects are so delayed and why we are not getting a response or more regular updates. IF you want to talk box office movies, have fun explaining to private investors or a studio as to why your movie is a year late and they haven't heard from you.
EG doc, can't really say much about them, not crowd sourced. I believe it's much later than they wanted but 'we' didn't pay for it so they can do whatever the hell they want.
We've gotten some fluffy responses as to what's going on via twitter or facebook but nothing a backer should really feel confident about. I'm glad I stayed away from all of these from a financial perspective. I do hope they release eventually though even if they're poorly made (which I hope they aren't after such a long wait) it's always fun to see behind the scenes footage and follow esports narratives.
I've always viewed kickstarter campaigns as being extraordinarily shady and as such have never trusted them. Here we have two prime examples in Star Nation and Sons of Starcraft that lend themselves to my views. I hope the backers and community gets what they were promised but it just isn't looking too good right now.
But it probably highlights a bigger problem with a lot of starcraft, in that its a bunch of teenagers trying to be professional, but with no one keeping them in check.
Stuff like this has pretty much killed off any hope for anyone else wanting to make a gaming documentary. Who would fund one now when filmmakers delay release by over a year with no word.
On August 14 2013 06:43 FatkiddsLag wrote: Everyone gave Team Liquid shit for their documentary not being up to everyones standards, but at least they put one out. Look what happened to everyone elses.
I actually think many people said TL's documentary was very well produced and cut, but the problem was that it wasn't really a documentary. It was a bunch of interviews with Liquid players that could have been released individually, so to say the documentary did not provide a story line or new insight into TL or the players.
As everybody else I am also wondering how these documentaries can take so long in production. If you provide a timeplan you better stick to it or provide answers as to why stuff is significantly delayed.
I was wondering about the documentary as well. IMO it required a bit more searching then it should. I dont think the producer Jeff Alejos is updating anything besides his twitter https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft. the picture is tweets paint isnt actually that bad:
Jeff Alejos @SonsofStarcraft 29 Mar (2013): Post production is well underway. One final shoot at the new Gangnam studio in April and the film is finished shooting!
Jeff Alejos @SonsofStarcraft 3 Apr(2013) On the way to the first day of Code S in the Gangnam Studio for the last day of filming! Get ready nerds~
Last tweet 6th may, hmm.... Remember there was a reddit-thread about this, or Star Nation for some time ago, don't quite remember what was said, but I think they don't do this full time.
On August 29 2013 22:38 Beyond Magic wrote: quite unreal how this project turned out, considering he was hoping to get 18k and instead got +40k and still couldnt deliver anything.
He isn't done yet. It takes time and effort, which means you have it wait. Films like this spend years in post production and sometimes they need to go out and get a bit more filming to do the "two years later" end role on the firm. The Valve documentary hasn't fully come out yet and they shot it like nearly 3 years ago. And I think Sons of Starcraft is a one man show too.
On August 29 2013 22:46 Quakie wrote: Last tweet 6th may, hmm.... Remember there was a reddit-thread about this, or Star Nation for some time ago, don't quite remember what was said, but I think they don't do this full time.
I think Star Nation is showing the first cut to people(from what I read) and they are going to go back and tighten the thing up. We might get the film next year some point in its final form.
He isn't done yet. It takes time and effort, which means you have it wait. Films like this spend years in post production and sometimes they need to go out and get a bit more filming to do the "two years later" end role on the firm. The Valve documentary hasn't fully come out yet and they shot it like nearly 3 years ago. And I think Sons of Starcraft is a one man show too.
I have shot a proper documentary that ran 30 minutes for my bachelors and it took 4-5 months with filming and post. Three years is a bit over the top tbh even for a full lenght feature film. It reeks of bad planning, which is why i wonder if they actually have any credentials to make the movie in the first place.
The big problem with these documentaries is not so much the delays but the complete lack of communication. For a crowd funded project is it really so much to ask for a tweet every other week? Deadlines are given and missed and months go by without ANY updates or explanations.
He isn't done yet. It takes time and effort, which means you have it wait. Films like this spend years in post production and sometimes they need to go out and get a bit more filming to do the "two years later" end role on the firm. The Valve documentary hasn't fully come out yet and they shot it like nearly 3 years ago. And I think Sons of Starcraft is a one man show too.
I have shot a proper documentary that ran 30 minutes for my bachelors and it took 4-5 months with filming and post. Three years is a bit over the top tbh even for a full lenght feature film. It reeks of bad planning, which is why i wonder if they actually have any credentials to make the movie in the first place.
I don't think it is his full time job and all projects are not equal. He almost might not have had it all planned out, but I am not going to sit back and be armchair director and producer. He is making progress and I will watch it when it comes out. He should provide monthly updates, since it is crowd funded, but I'm not going to hold that against him.
You want to know whats really going to happen? Dan is going to tell this guy to "go cast starcraft" then this guy is going to cast sc2 games getting hype from all the other casters, this man will go on to making a website and you will have to pay at least a dollar to view his cast's. With all the hype this guy receives from all the other caster millions will watch this man cast sc2. Since hes the hottest thing in ESports right now.
In the end it will be Dan making the documentary and he will name it "exit in the through the blizzard shop*
Lets face reality, even if this project is completed it will be long after the game has lost public appeal. It won't even be recognizable. This will be released after Artosis is bald with a walking stick, and Tasteless is in a futuristic wheel chair with an electric voice, they'll be half way through filming Death Of the Sons.
On August 30 2013 01:09 GhostFiber wrote: Lets face reality, even if this project is completed it will be long after the game has lost public appeal. It won't even be recognizable. This will be released after Artosis is bald with a walking stick, and Tasteless is in a futuristic wheel chair with an electric voice, they'll be half way through filming Death Of the Sons.
Hahaha pretty much. Maybe they could release it just after the void, but that's their only window left.
On August 20 2013 19:33 BigKahunaBurger wrote: Pretty sure the money is gone, which is a shame.
But it probably highlights a bigger problem with a lot of starcraft, in that its a bunch of teenagers trying to be professional, but with no one keeping them in check.
Stuff like this has pretty much killed off any hope for anyone else wanting to make a gaming documentary. Who would fund one now when filmmakers delay release by over a year with no word.
I think sons of starcraft will still manage to have some appeal since it's more inside info on tastosis specifically. StarNation however, will definitely lose appeal since it will be full of players that no longer play, casters that no longer cast, and tournaments that no longer exist
yeah sure lets just ignore post like mine that has actual dates attached to it.
On August 29 2013 21:49 nachtkap wrote: I was wondering about the documentary as well. IMO it required a bit more searching then it should. I dont think the producer Jeff Alejos is updating anything besides his twitter https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft. the picture his tweets paint isnt actually that bad:
Jeff Alejos @SonsofStarcraft 29 Mar (2013): Post production is well underway. One final shoot at the new Gangnam studio in April and the film is finished shooting!
Jeff Alejos @SonsofStarcraft 3 Apr(2013) On the way to the first day of Code S in the Gangnam Studio for the last day of filming! Get ready nerds~
this thing has been in editing for 9 month excluding that extra bit in the new gsl studios. IMO it only feels waaay to long if you dont consider the disparity between his required (18k) and actual (40k) funding. That's ~2.3 times the founding he wanted. It seems to me that this thing should have 2.3+ times more content then was originally planed. He planed to have thing take 12 month from start to finish with his original funding goal.
12 months x 2.3 times the funding = 27.6 months from start to finish. If he started started in October of 2011 then that would mean a release date in early 2014.
He's just waiting to do part 2 with tasteless casting dota 2! Starnation however, will be a real history doc with all the outdated stuff it will have in it now.
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