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On December 17 2012 21:46 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 18:17 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 17 2012 17:05 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Ah another money sinkhole that's worked on some poor donators to perfection.
Spring 2013? Really? They had a whole year to produce this and they can't keep to a deadline. Probably because the guy making it is using that 40-something thousand dollars to fly around the world and enjoy himself, pushing off this naive community with some vague promises before he finally released an hour long video that could have been done by someone in the community with a camcorder and 5000 dollars for flights and accommodation.
This shows and integral problem with the community at heart: that most of them are late teen/20 somethings with a bit of disposable income and no idea what they're doing. So they willingly put their money towards something with no idea of whether its going to come through the other end or not.
"Oh no, they need more time to make a REALLY good product"
"Oh they don't have to be accountable to us! Nick and Dan are good to us! They should take their time"
Remember that Star Nation film with Naniwa and White-Ra? Barely huh? I bet you by the time it comes out, it'll be a non factor. Because all that footage will be almost useless and the community wants something fresh. Case in point: The uber-disappointment of Liquid Rising, that hit about 400 delays and was unanimously considered to be inadequate. A couple months later, Team Liquid release two 20 minute videos of their time at the IPTL, which cost absolutely nothing, and the videos are loved by the community for being genuine, timely and informative.
Wow. That was hard.
It's okay if you're donating money towards Liquid Rising or Good Game I suppose, think of it as a charity act towards a team you love. But these grand ventures really have to stop before some poor saps get scammed any further. You seem like you need a hug. I like how effortlessly you manage to refute a reasonably well-supported argument that has obviously had some effort put into its making and brings up some good points, simply with your stunningly verbose display of logical and rational brilliance "lol u need a hug bro u mad bro". You have convinced myself and everyone else in this thread that you are correct and Big Kahuna does not, in fact, know what he is speaking about. You sir, are truly a gentleman and a scholar... -_-
Well to be fair, he does seem like he needs a hug.
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On December 17 2012 19:30 BigKahunaBurger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 18:41 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 17 2012 18:26 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On December 17 2012 18:17 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 17 2012 17:05 BigKahunaBurger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ah another money sinkhole that's worked on some poor donators to perfection.
Spring 2013? Really? They had a whole year to produce this and they can't keep to a deadline. Probably because the guy making it is using that 40-something thousand dollars to fly around the world and enjoy himself, pushing off this naive community with some vague promises before he finally released an hour long video that could have been done by someone in the community with a camcorder and 5000 dollars for flights and accommodation.
This shows and integral problem with the community at heart: that most of them are late teen/20 somethings with a bit of disposable income and no idea what they're doing. So they willingly put their money towards something with no idea of whether its going to come through the other end or not.
"Oh no, they need more time to make a REALLY good product"
"Oh they don't have to be accountable to us! Nick and Dan are good to us! They should take their time"
Remember that Star Nation film with Naniwa and White-Ra? Barely huh? I bet you by the time it comes out, it'll be a non factor. Because all that footage will be almost useless and the community wants something fresh. Case in point: The uber-disappointment of Liquid Rising, that hit about 400 delays and was unanimously considered to be inadequate. A couple months later, Team Liquid release two 20 minute videos of their time at the IPTL, which cost absolutely nothing, and the videos are loved by the community for being genuine, timely and informative.
Wow. That was hard.
It's okay if you're donating money towards Liquid Rising or Good Game I suppose, think of it as a charity act towards a team you love. But these grand ventures really have to stop before some poor saps get scammed any further. You seem like you need a hug. Lol, my bad :D I forgot you can't be critical of anything ever without being mad or a troll. le sorry face!! XD You say that like your post was being critical. It wasn't. I can summarize your first post quite easily: "ZOMG FILMMAKER IS TEH EVILZ, ERRYBODY WASTIN MUNNY STOP BEIN' FOOLS YO" And really: "A whole year to produce"? Do you know how long it takes to put movies together?.... I didn't tell them to produce it in a year. At the start of the project, they announced that it would be done in October/November 2012. They set that date, not me. So when they don't come good on their own deadline, deciding instead to have a trip to Las Vegas and do a bit more filming because that'll really give em some "sick nerd chills", I'm not allowed to be critical? Why would they post some arbitrary deadline and then not come good on it? Because they know the community will instantly white-knight anything, being immediate apologists for any stuff ups, given that it'll make e-sports totally look 'legitimate'. You literally just went to apologize for them in your post. I wonder why.
Ok really dude, have you had any experience with the making of films? I sincerely doubt it hence just be quiet, there are tons of reasons something might be delayed shit you might even underestimate the amount of work that needs to be done which is often the case for people making their first documentary. It's not uncommon to overshoot a deadline. There is pretty much a million things that can go wrong and then there´s another million things that can affect the outcome of completion that are merely "changes". I'm speaking from experience here, delays happen and documentaries are an infinite amount of more work then people outside the business and even people in the business thinks.
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On December 17 2012 22:41 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 19:30 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On December 17 2012 18:41 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 17 2012 18:26 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On December 17 2012 18:17 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 17 2012 17:05 BigKahunaBurger wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ah another money sinkhole that's worked on some poor donators to perfection.
Spring 2013? Really? They had a whole year to produce this and they can't keep to a deadline. Probably because the guy making it is using that 40-something thousand dollars to fly around the world and enjoy himself, pushing off this naive community with some vague promises before he finally released an hour long video that could have been done by someone in the community with a camcorder and 5000 dollars for flights and accommodation.
This shows and integral problem with the community at heart: that most of them are late teen/20 somethings with a bit of disposable income and no idea what they're doing. So they willingly put their money towards something with no idea of whether its going to come through the other end or not.
"Oh no, they need more time to make a REALLY good product"
"Oh they don't have to be accountable to us! Nick and Dan are good to us! They should take their time"
Remember that Star Nation film with Naniwa and White-Ra? Barely huh? I bet you by the time it comes out, it'll be a non factor. Because all that footage will be almost useless and the community wants something fresh. Case in point: The uber-disappointment of Liquid Rising, that hit about 400 delays and was unanimously considered to be inadequate. A couple months later, Team Liquid release two 20 minute videos of their time at the IPTL, which cost absolutely nothing, and the videos are loved by the community for being genuine, timely and informative.
Wow. That was hard.
It's okay if you're donating money towards Liquid Rising or Good Game I suppose, think of it as a charity act towards a team you love. But these grand ventures really have to stop before some poor saps get scammed any further. You seem like you need a hug. Lol, my bad :D I forgot you can't be critical of anything ever without being mad or a troll. le sorry face!! XD You say that like your post was being critical. It wasn't. I can summarize your first post quite easily: "ZOMG FILMMAKER IS TEH EVILZ, ERRYBODY WASTIN MUNNY STOP BEIN' FOOLS YO" And really: "A whole year to produce"? Do you know how long it takes to put movies together?.... I didn't tell them to produce it in a year. At the start of the project, they announced that it would be done in October/November 2012. They set that date, not me. So when they don't come good on their own deadline, deciding instead to have a trip to Las Vegas and do a bit more filming because that'll really give em some "sick nerd chills", I'm not allowed to be critical? Why would they post some arbitrary deadline and then not come good on it? Because they know the community will instantly white-knight anything, being immediate apologists for any stuff ups, given that it'll make e-sports totally look 'legitimate'. You literally just went to apologize for them in your post. I wonder why. Ok really dude, have you had any experience with the making of films? I sincerely doubt it hence just be quiet, there are tons of reasons something might be delayed shit you might even underestimate the amount of work that needs to be done which is often the case for people making their first documentary. It's not uncommon to overshoot a deadline. There is pretty much a million things that can go wrong and then there´s another million things that can affect the outcome of completion that are merely "changes". I'm speaking from experience here, delays happen and documentaries are an infinite amount of more work then people outside the business and even people in the business thinks.
It's also safe to say that if people understood how much work it were going to be, they usually wouldn't start a project like this.
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Hey do you guys mind if I ask a question?
Does anybody know what the documentary is going to show to make it interesting and not Liquid rising style series of interviews? I mean they can show tastosis making jokes to eachother outside of casting and that will be funny but what else? There is no drama from competition like a documentary on players or teams can show and I doubt there is any big drama of them arguing with the tournament over contract disputes I'd assume they get treated well.(could be wrong)
What are they documenting at ipl 5 that would not have basically happened at ipl 4 or any other tournament? (went to vagas, casted starcraft, people liked the casting and jokes, talk with fans, relax backstage, go back to Korea). The details will be different of exactly what they do but the documentary isn't going to compare all those details across all the different tournaments they filmed are they?
I know the kickstarter advertised talking about their past with moving to Korea. But won't a big focus on that make it a boring series of interviews about stuff we mostly already know from other interviews? (like liquid rising) They need interesting stuff to film is that going to come from their current personal life? (living with them for a month like the kickstarter said) Are people expecting artosis marriage drama or tasteless partying, and gambling in vagas drama? Or do people want a 1 hour comedy documentary of them making jokes everywhere?
Thanks for any replies. Hope its good so I'll enjoy watching it!
Edit: I just remembered there is a trailer on page 1. Looks like a lot of footage interviewing people about how awesome their casting is, and interviews with tastosis about their past. I'm sure this will be nothing like Liquid rising at all! But I still hope they'll have something interesting to show from all the tournaments they went to.
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On December 18 2012 01:48 coolcor wrote:
Hey do you guys mind if I ask a question?
Does anybody know what the documentary is going to show to make it interesting and not Liquid rising style series of interviews? I mean they can show tastosis making jokes to eachother outside of casting and that will be funny but what else? There is no drama from competition like a documentary on players or teams can show and I doubt there is any big drama of them arguing with the tournament over contract disputes I'd assume they get treated well.(could be wrong)
What are they documenting at ipl 5 that would not have basically happened at ipl 4 or any other tournament? (went to vagas, casted starcraft, people liked the casting and jokes, talk with fans, relax backstage, go back to Korea). The details will be different of exactly what they do but the documentary isn't going to compare all those details across all the different tournaments they filmed are they?
I know the kickstarter advertised talking about their past with moving to Korea. But won't a big focus on that make it a boring series of interviews about stuff we mostly already know from other interviews? (like liquid rising) They need interesting stuff to film is that going to come from their current personal life? (living with them for a month like the kickstarter said) Are people expecting artosis marriage drama or tasteless partying, and gambling in vagas drama? Or do people want a 1 hour comedy documentary of them making jokes everywhere?
Thanks for any replies. Hope its good so I'll enjoy watching it!
Edit: I just remembered there is a trailer on page 1. Looks like a lot of footage interviewing people about how awesome their casting is, and interviews with tastosis about their past. I'm sure this will be nothing like Liquid rising at all! But I still hope they'll have something interesting to show from all the tournaments they went to.
It will probably the history of them both. How they came to be where they are, hardships and what not and how things are for the future. A personal portrait of them both if you will, that´s how i'd do it anyway and it's how i interpret the trailer aswell.
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On December 18 2012 05:54 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:48 coolcor wrote:
Hey do you guys mind if I ask a question?
Does anybody know what the documentary is going to show to make it interesting and not Liquid rising style series of interviews? I mean they can show tastosis making jokes to eachother outside of casting and that will be funny but what else? There is no drama from competition like a documentary on players or teams can show and I doubt there is any big drama of them arguing with the tournament over contract disputes I'd assume they get treated well.(could be wrong)
What are they documenting at ipl 5 that would not have basically happened at ipl 4 or any other tournament? (went to vagas, casted starcraft, people liked the casting and jokes, talk with fans, relax backstage, go back to Korea). The details will be different of exactly what they do but the documentary isn't going to compare all those details across all the different tournaments they filmed are they?
I know the kickstarter advertised talking about their past with moving to Korea. But won't a big focus on that make it a boring series of interviews about stuff we mostly already know from other interviews? (like liquid rising) They need interesting stuff to film is that going to come from their current personal life? (living with them for a month like the kickstarter said) Are people expecting artosis marriage drama or tasteless partying, and gambling in vagas drama? Or do people want a 1 hour comedy documentary of them making jokes everywhere?
Thanks for any replies. Hope its good so I'll enjoy watching it!
Edit: I just remembered there is a trailer on page 1. Looks like a lot of footage interviewing people about how awesome their casting is, and interviews with tastosis about their past. I'm sure this will be nothing like Liquid rising at all! But I still hope they'll have something interesting to show from all the tournaments they went to. It will probably the history of them both. How they came to be where they are, hardships and what not and how things are for the future. A personal portrait of them both if you will, that´s how i'd do it anyway and it's how i interpret the trailer aswell.
So its just a fancy expensive version of their real talk with jp? Lots of interview questions and answers with them?(and others talking about how awesome tastosis is) I would hope the expensive documentary could film something interesting happening and not just have mostly interviews talking about past and future stuff.
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Who's the hot asian girl with Nick @ 2:35?
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On December 18 2012 06:47 crbox wrote:
Who's the hot asian girl with Nick @ 2:35?
artosis.
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On December 18 2012 06:29 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 05:54 unkkz wrote:On December 18 2012 01:48 coolcor wrote:
Hey do you guys mind if I ask a question?
Does anybody know what the documentary is going to show to make it interesting and not Liquid rising style series of interviews? I mean they can show tastosis making jokes to eachother outside of casting and that will be funny but what else? There is no drama from competition like a documentary on players or teams can show and I doubt there is any big drama of them arguing with the tournament over contract disputes I'd assume they get treated well.(could be wrong)
What are they documenting at ipl 5 that would not have basically happened at ipl 4 or any other tournament? (went to vagas, casted starcraft, people liked the casting and jokes, talk with fans, relax backstage, go back to Korea). The details will be different of exactly what they do but the documentary isn't going to compare all those details across all the different tournaments they filmed are they?
I know the kickstarter advertised talking about their past with moving to Korea. But won't a big focus on that make it a boring series of interviews about stuff we mostly already know from other interviews? (like liquid rising) They need interesting stuff to film is that going to come from their current personal life? (living with them for a month like the kickstarter said) Are people expecting artosis marriage drama or tasteless partying, and gambling in vagas drama? Or do people want a 1 hour comedy documentary of them making jokes everywhere?
Thanks for any replies. Hope its good so I'll enjoy watching it!
Edit: I just remembered there is a trailer on page 1. Looks like a lot of footage interviewing people about how awesome their casting is, and interviews with tastosis about their past. I'm sure this will be nothing like Liquid rising at all! But I still hope they'll have something interesting to show from all the tournaments they went to. It will probably the history of them both. How they came to be where they are, hardships and what not and how things are for the future. A personal portrait of them both if you will, that´s how i'd do it anyway and it's how i interpret the trailer aswell. So its just a fancy expensive version of their real talk with jp? Lots of interview questions and answers with them?(and others talking about how awesome tastosis is) I would hope the expensive documentary could film something interesting happening and not just have mostly interviews talking about past and future stuff.
I would wager that a lot of the content of Sons of Starcraft will be already covered in the real talks with JP. What you don't get from the real talk episodes is commentary on Tasteless and Artosis' journeys to Korea from other members of the community, including other progamers who were active at the time etc.
I expect a bit of a fleshed out recap of the real talks with better production and newer/updated content.
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On December 17 2012 17:05 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Ah another money sinkhole that's worked on some poor donators to perfection.
Spring 2013? Really? They had a whole year to produce this and they can't keep to a deadline. Probably because the guy making it is using that 40-something thousand dollars to fly around the world and enjoy himself, pushing off this naive community with some vague promises before he finally released an hour long video that could have been done by someone in the community with a camcorder and 5000 dollars for flights and accommodation.
This shows and integral problem with the community at heart: that most of them are late teen/20 somethings with a bit of disposable income and no idea what they're doing. So they willingly put their money towards something with no idea of whether its going to come through the other end or not.
"Oh no, they need more time to make a REALLY good product"
"Oh they don't have to be accountable to us! Nick and Dan are good to us! They should take their time"
Remember that Star Nation film with Naniwa and White-Ra? Barely huh? I bet you by the time it comes out, it'll be a non factor. Because all that footage will be almost useless and the community wants something fresh. Case in point: The uber-disappointment of Liquid Rising, that hit about 400 delays and was unanimously considered to be inadequate. A couple months later, Team Liquid release two 20 minute videos of their time at the IPTL, which cost absolutely nothing, and the videos are loved by the community for being genuine, timely and informative.
Wow. That was hard.
It's okay if you're donating money towards Liquid Rising or Good Game I suppose, think of it as a charity act towards a team you love. But these grand ventures really have to stop before some poor saps get scammed any further.
You sir need to take a closer look at the rest of the world. If you think that artosis/tasteless fans are getting gruesomely suckered into losing their disposable $10 then I don't know what you must think of the global financial system. People buying and selling shares on a whim, most of these investors not really knowing much about the companies or technologies they are funding... middle-aged guys pumping money into Ponzi schemes... now those scenarios might be more deserving of your skepticism.
Funding a kickstarter is just another way of making an investment. Except instead of being a share-holder, you are taking a risk that the end result is going to be something well worth your $x contribution. It's as low-risk as you want it to be and I don't think anyone needs to be held "accountable" after said contribution is made. If you don't think he needs more than $5000 to make the film then you don't have to donate after that threshold has been reached. While I personally wouldn't recommend pumping money into a project that's been fully-funded, it doesn't mean that the people that do are being swindled.
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On December 17 2012 17:05 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Ah another money sinkhole that's worked on some poor donators to perfection.
Spring 2013? Really? They had a whole year to produce this and they can't keep to a deadline. Probably because the guy making it is using that 40-something thousand dollars to fly around the world and enjoy himself, pushing off this naive community with some vague promises before he finally released an hour long video that could have been done by someone in the community with a camcorder and 5000 dollars for flights and accommodation.
This shows and integral problem with the community at heart: that most of them are late teen/20 somethings with a bit of disposable income and no idea what they're doing. So they willingly put their money towards something with no idea of whether its going to come through the other end or not.
"Oh no, they need more time to make a REALLY good product"
"Oh they don't have to be accountable to us! Nick and Dan are good to us! They should take their time"
Remember that Star Nation film with Naniwa and White-Ra? Barely huh? I bet you by the time it comes out, it'll be a non factor. Because all that footage will be almost useless and the community wants something fresh. Case in point: The uber-disappointment of Liquid Rising, that hit about 400 delays and was unanimously considered to be inadequate. A couple months later, Team Liquid release two 20 minute videos of their time at the IPTL, which cost absolutely nothing, and the videos are loved by the community for being genuine, timely and informative.
Wow. That was hard.
It's okay if you're donating money towards Liquid Rising or Good Game I suppose, think of it as a charity act towards a team you love. But these grand ventures really have to stop before some poor saps get scammed any further.
While there may be some elements of truth in your post, you seem to misunderstand the nature of documentary filmmaking. It is not about headlines and news. It is not journalism. A documentary about starcraft players doesn't necessarily have to be timely, especially if it attempts to appeal to a broader audience. What matters is that it tells a STORY. The story could be 5 years old, but if I haven't heard the story before, I might enjoy it. You cannot make a film and have it be timely on the time scale you are talking about because it takes TOO LONG to make a feature-length production. I agree that some of these documentaries could have been done quicker, but I disagree that this makes them irrelevant.
The main criticism of Liquid Rising was precisely that it did NOT tell a story, and thus didn't exactly appear as a cohesive film. It seemed more like a series of interviews. I would have rather seen an in-depth story about the team, even if it was an old one. This is what the community wanted.
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On December 18 2012 07:30 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Funding a kickstarter is just another way of making an investment.
I'd call it making a donation, since it doesn't offer you any type of claim on their financial success down the line. But, many Kickstarter projects are worth their donations.
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On December 18 2012 07:07 snively wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 06:47 crbox wrote:
Who's the hot asian girl with Nick @ 2:35? artosis.
dayum artosis is hot
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Man hurry up already with this doco. I do believe that being timely is important here.
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On January 21 2013 04:48 Chrono000 wrote:
Man hurry up already with this doco. I do believe that being timely is important here.
Why? Everyone will watch it regardless when it gets released.
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On January 21 2013 04:48 Chrono000 wrote:
Man hurry up already with this doco. I do believe that being timely is important here.
Taken from the description of the video linked on the first page of the thread:
As of now the film is scheduled to be released for Spring 2013.
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Can't wait.
I hope they show us their off job days in Korea as well! 
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at 34:53, what's the korean girl in the background shouting to nick?
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As of now the film is scheduled to be released for Spring 2013.
Straight from the last post on their tumblr page.
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I don't want to start a new thread but this has taken a really long time to come out. It took me 30 minutes to dig and only found a Tweet by Jeff saying, "We will be selling the shirt on the handsome nerd when the movie is out. Ill tweet about it when its up~". Wasn't this started back in 2011? I don't want to put a damper on anything but 2 years in E-Sports might as well be a 10 years, in that, players drift away (retire), the game changes (balance/expansion), and things generally become less relevant. Perhaps the movie will catalog a more social aspect of gaming which can be identifiable to a range of audiences.
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