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On August 24 2012 18:37 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.
If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them. Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful. They can't rebel.
That's why I say WISH.
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On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.
If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them. Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful.
Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.
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Kespa hate moves on to SC2, big surprise.
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On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.
If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them. Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful. Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.
They can, but they shouldn't. As much as I don't like Kespa, blizzard forcing their way won't help. This is a korean matter, blizzard should try and be the peacemaker.
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On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.
If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them. Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful. Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.
So I buy a game and then you ban my IP? Do you think this is how it works? Have you ever heard of customer protections?
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On August 24 2012 18:35 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:30 iKill wrote:On August 24 2012 18:27 raga4ka wrote:
You people need to learn PL > OSL > other always has always will be . If Kespa deems that the players don't have enough time , being overwork or that other tournaments will harm the performance in those 2 tournaments they won't play anywhere else . in BW yes, in SC2, no. GSL does not fit into that equation at all For the KeSPA players it's still PL > OSL > everything else.
For KeSPA, not for KeSPA players apparently.
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I'm no expert but from that it seems like Kepsa is not really needed, at least not anymore.
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From the other thread: Complete translation:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late  It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago. Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision: For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
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On August 24 2012 18:43 TheAmazombie wrote:From the other thread: Complete translation: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago. Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision: For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
Mofo Nestea, Everywhere anywhere. And always appearing somehow
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Its going to get to the point where all of kespas teams pull out of kespa because almost all of the teams + players expressed they wanted to play in gsl this season.
or kespa just give in and let them participate, there big project is obviously another league like msl or something trying to force gom out.
also kespa won't care about them pulling out of osl they will just replace the gsl 8 with the 8 from the dual tourny and earlier... shame kespa shame especially when the teams players want global support.
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On August 24 2012 18:43 Spidinko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:35 rasers wrote:On August 24 2012 18:30 iKill wrote:On August 24 2012 18:27 raga4ka wrote:
You people need to learn PL > OSL > other always has always will be . If Kespa deems that the players don't have enough time , being overwork or that other tournaments will harm the performance in those 2 tournaments they won't play anywhere else . in BW yes, in SC2, no. GSL does not fit into that equation at all For the KeSPA players it's still PL > OSL > everything else. For KeSPA, not for KeSPA players apparently.
why not ? just because they also want 2 play GSL doesn't mean it's more important 2 them.
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On August 24 2012 18:45 Fleuria wrote:
Its going to get to the point where all of kespas teams pull out of kespa because almost all of the teams + players expressed they wanted to play in gsl this season.
or kespa just give in and let them participate, there big project is obviously another league like msl or something trying to force gom out.
Problem is eSF teams actually can make such decisions because they are not owned by their sponsors. KeSPA teams are owned by their sponsor, who all sits on KeSPA board.
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On August 24 2012 18:47 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:43 Spidinko wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 rasers wrote:On August 24 2012 18:30 iKill wrote:On August 24 2012 18:27 raga4ka wrote:
You people need to learn PL > OSL > other always has always will be . If Kespa deems that the players don't have enough time , being overwork or that other tournaments will harm the performance in those 2 tournaments they won't play anywhere else . in BW yes, in SC2, no. GSL does not fit into that equation at all For the KeSPA players it's still PL > OSL > everything else. For KeSPA, not for KeSPA players apparently. why not ? just because they also want 2 play GSL doesn't mean it's more important 2 them.
they stated they wanted more recognition outside of korea and thus gsl has gotten a higher prio for them and tbh no one cares for proleague outside of the playoffs.
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On August 24 2012 18:47 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:43 Spidinko wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 rasers wrote:On August 24 2012 18:30 iKill wrote:On August 24 2012 18:27 raga4ka wrote:
You people need to learn PL > OSL > other always has always will be . If Kespa deems that the players don't have enough time , being overwork or that other tournaments will harm the performance in those 2 tournaments they won't play anywhere else . in BW yes, in SC2, no. GSL does not fit into that equation at all For the KeSPA players it's still PL > OSL > everything else. For KeSPA, not for KeSPA players apparently. why not ? just because they also want 2 play GSL doesn't mean it's more important 2 them.
Kespa team's had always wanted to broaden their audience to include international fans. It may or may not be a PR move but they have stated it many times. GSL has the resources to reach out to us, the foreigners. It may not be the most important, but it is surely a high priority one.
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On August 24 2012 18:41 Mirrikh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.
If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them. Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful. Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship. So I buy a game and then you ban my IP? Do you think this is how it works? Have you ever heard of customer protections?
You need to have a license to organise Events like OSL. If you don´t have one, Blizzard will cut you off. Happened before.
If i recall corectly GOM had an exclusive contract with blizzard for the first 2 years. Blizzard just hast to threaten Kespa to do this again after the current contract will end.
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On August 24 2012 18:45 Fleuria wrote:
Its going to get to the point where all of kespas teams pull out of kespa because almost all of the teams + players expressed they wanted to play in gsl this season.
or kespa just give in and let them participate, there big project is obviously another league like msl or something trying to force gom out.
also kespa won't care about them pulling out of osl they will just replace the gsl 8 with the 8 from the dual tourny and earlier... shame kespa shame especially when the teams players want global support.
LoL you can't just "pull out" of kespa. There are legal ramifications of doing so.
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On August 24 2012 18:48 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:45 Fleuria wrote:
Its going to get to the point where all of kespas teams pull out of kespa because almost all of the teams + players expressed they wanted to play in gsl this season.
or kespa just give in and let them participate, there big project is obviously another league like msl or something trying to force gom out. Problem is eSF teams actually can make such decisions because they are not owned by their sponsors. KeSPA teams are owned by their sponsor, who all sits on KeSPA board.
pretty sure samsung will care that there product isn't be advertised world wide, the korean telecoms companies won't care obviously.
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Ofcourse they also want international fame. But it still doesn't mean they would "sacrifice" the korean leagues for international stuff.
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EPT
