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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 09:51 GMT
#1701
On August 24 2012 18:50 rasers wrote:
Ofcourse they also want international fame. But it still doesn't mean they would "sacrifice" the korean leagues for international stuff.

GOM has shown they are VERY VERY accommodating of players schedules. Kespa players won't "sacrifice" the korean leagues. And their lastest response shows more of power play then really caring about their players.
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
August 24 2012 09:52 GMT
#1702
On August 24 2012 18:41 Mirrikh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.

If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them.

Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful.


Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.


So I buy a game and then you ban my IP? Do you think this is how it works? Have you ever heard of customer protections?


It's not about whether or not you can play, it's about whether or not you can host a tournament

you'd be surprised to learn about the grip that Blizz has on SC2 competitions
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#1703
On August 24 2012 18:52 iKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:41 Mirrikh wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.

If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them.

Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful.


Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.


So I buy a game and then you ban my IP? Do you think this is how it works? Have you ever heard of customer protections?


It's not about whether or not you can play, it's about whether or not you can host a tournament

you'd be surprised to learn about the grip that Blizz has on SC2 competitions


yeah with no LAN play blizzard could shut down anything they wanted pretty easily :p :p
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Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#1704
On August 24 2012 18:50 rasers wrote:
Ofcourse they also want international fame. But it still doesn't mean they would "sacrifice" the korean leagues for international stuff.


obviously they won't but at the end of the say gom were quite nice to kespa allowing them to reschedule if so etc, kespa said no and thus esF pulled out of osl because of this big project which is obviously an equivalent to msl and thus gom feel like they will be pushed out again.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
August 24 2012 09:53 GMT
#1705
On August 24 2012 18:41 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.

If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them.

Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful.


Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.

They can, but they shouldn't. As much as I don't like Kespa, blizzard forcing their way won't help. This is a korean matter, blizzard should try and be the peacemaker.


They are acting as a peacekeeper, only instead of using neutral arbitration, they're using nuclear weapons to prevent two countries from going to war!

On August 24 2012 18:41 Mirrikh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:39 goiflin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:35 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:34 goiflin wrote:
It doesn't really make sense that ESF players can prepare for the upcoming GSL and play OSL at the same time, and god knows what foreign events, but KeSPA players can't play two tournaments at the same time. Hell, even the players want to play in GSL... If they think they're not too busy, I'd go with their opinion over KeSPA's.

If this is the attitude KeSPA's going to take, why would they even begin to participate actively within foreign events? Are they just not going to send players at all, if they have upcoming OSL matches to prepare for? Then I expect their players are just going to have less exposure than the ESF players, plain and simple, which is bad for them.

Now my only wish is for Kespa team to rebel.. Been wishing that for a long time since it appears they really really don't like the iron grip kespa has. If they do it and with esf players rebelling, good lord this drama would be beautiful.


Honestly, this will be resolved rather quickly. Blizzard actually has the legal and physical power to literally pull the plug on any KeSPA or GOM tournament by banning IP's and barring them from using starcraft legally. They can force the two to get along if they choose to get involved. I think that'd happen before a KeSPA team rebels, since they'd risk losing sponsorship.


So I buy a game and then you ban my IP? Do you think this is how it works? Have you ever heard of customer protections?



Doesn't apply to corporations using your intellectual property for profit. Also, look at the KeSPA vs Blizzard fiasco in BW if you want to see how they've dealt with this stuff in the past.
norjoncal
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
89 Posts
August 24 2012 09:54 GMT
#1706
On August 24 2012 18:22 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:17 norjoncal wrote:
On August 24 2012 17:58 blade55555 wrote:
On August 24 2012 17:55 norjoncal wrote:
I am confused so when paid players parent organzation KESPA says no to a leauge.It is pure evil.
But when unpaid (except LG_IM ) players organization ESPF pulls thier guys out of already determined toruney.It is the greatest thing ever.

People always mention how KESPA B teamers must feel well asleast they get paid. I am sure MKP is super excited about this.


This shouldn't be confusing.

They are retaliating because this is what kespa did in bw to gom. They did not let their players play in GSL and it ended up KILLING gom for bw. As far as I know they disappeared from the bw scene after that.

They do NOT want a repeat of that. Can you blame them? I don't I actually support their decision. Kespa players themselves are even confused to why they cant play in gom. I hope this forces kespa to let their players make the decision. Because right now OSL is not going to happen or have to be restarted.



Ok but KESPA players signed contracts right?It is like the NFL letting its players play in the Arena Football League while the NFL is still having its playoffs. I like GOM but I like the OSL formate better. They have 2 big tournments a year and it makes them a bigger deal to win. Another football reference GOM is like having 16 Superbowls in 2 and half years.

I feel ESPF are being the bigger dicks here. GOM asked KESPA do you want to come to our wedding.KESPA says no.
Then GOM act like a crazy person and leaves OSL at the altar. Personally I think that is a more dick move.

Can someone clear this up for me. GOMTV is not on brodcast Korean TV right? If so does this make OGN more likely to want to work with ESPF. Being on brodcast TV is how the KESPA teams get the big sponsorships.


KESPA are trying to brute-force GOM out the SC2 industry. How can you call them the better man?


KESPA said said they would participate in GSL they did not say when. ESPF players already "committed to OSL" then left halfway thru. Like telling a MLG hey I can not make this event to.Pulling a last shadow and leaving. Can you imagine MKP walking out of an MLG Grand Finals. Big MKP fan but SC2 is not as big in Korea as BW was, thus MKP will never be as big of star in Korea as a TOP BW player. The way things are looking he will never be.IF things turn south OGN will never let these players back in.

It is a business decision KEPSAOGN is not gonna let thier players play in GOM while their 2 flagships programs PL playoffs and OSL are going on. Like I said earlier it would be like having some great NFL players go play in the Candian Football Leauge on Superbowl Sunday.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#1707
mmm now i am kinda curious. Will Blizzard give out new licenses for HotS, as WoL could theoretically go on. In that case kespa might end up in trouble. Hyped for hots even more lol.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:57:28
August 24 2012 09:57 GMT
#1708
On August 24 2012 18:54 norjoncal wrote:
KESPA said said they would participate in GSL they did not say when. ESPF players already "committed to OSL" then left halfway thru. Like telling a MLG hey I can not make this event to.Pulling a last shadow and leaving. Can you imagine MKP walking out of an MLG Grand Finals. Big MKP fan but SC2 is not as big in Korea as BW was, thus MKP will never be as big of star in Korea as a TOP BW player. The way things are looking he will never be.IF things turn south OGN will never let these players back in.

I think KeSPA did exactly that. MLG would have a much better contingency plan if they did not know whether the KeSPA players were going to come. I mean, just look at the players in pool play.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 09:57 GMT
#1709
On August 24 2012 18:55 FeyFey wrote:
mmm now i am kinda curious. Will Blizzard give out new licenses for HotS, as WoL could theoretically go on. In that case kespa might end up in trouble. Hyped for hots even more lol.

I think Kespa might just dropped Sc2 and transition to LoL. They probably didn't predict ESF would rebel since they have been the powers since BW
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
August 24 2012 09:58 GMT
#1710
On August 24 2012 18:57 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:54 norjoncal wrote:
KESPA said said they would participate in GSL they did not say when. ESPF players already "committed to OSL" then left halfway thru. Like telling a MLG hey I can not make this event to.Pulling a last shadow and leaving. Can you imagine MKP walking out of an MLG Grand Finals. Big MKP fan but SC2 is not as big in Korea as BW was, thus MKP will never be as big of star in Korea as a TOP BW player. The way things are looking he will never be.IF things turn south OGN will never let these players back in.

I think KeSPA did exactly that. MLG would have a much better contingency plan if they did not know whether the KeSPA players were going to come. I mean, just look at the players in pool play.


MLG already came out and said they knew "for weeks" that KeSPA players wouldn't be coming, they just chose not to announce it.
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Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
August 24 2012 09:59 GMT
#1711
So.. Kespa is the batman or the joker ?
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 10:00 GMT
#1712
On August 24 2012 18:58 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:57 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:54 norjoncal wrote:
KESPA said said they would participate in GSL they did not say when. ESPF players already "committed to OSL" then left halfway thru. Like telling a MLG hey I can not make this event to.Pulling a last shadow and leaving. Can you imagine MKP walking out of an MLG Grand Finals. Big MKP fan but SC2 is not as big in Korea as BW was, thus MKP will never be as big of star in Korea as a TOP BW player. The way things are looking he will never be.IF things turn south OGN will never let these players back in.

I think KeSPA did exactly that. MLG would have a much better contingency plan if they did not know whether the KeSPA players were going to come. I mean, just look at the players in pool play.


MLG already came out and said they knew "for weeks" that KeSPA players wouldn't be coming, they just chose not to announce it.

I would feel that's just PR. If they really know they would have gotten better players into their brackets.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 24 2012 10:00 GMT
#1713
On August 24 2012 18:59 Nyarly wrote:
So.. Kespa is the batman or the joker ?


LoL...they are the guy that killed Batman's parents. =)
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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 10:00 GMT
#1714
On August 24 2012 18:59 Nyarly wrote:
So.. Kespa is the batman or the joker ?

Kespa is scarecrow.
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
August 24 2012 10:01 GMT
#1715
Ad edit 5, "Seems like in Korea even KeSPA fanboys recognize an asshole move when they see it. Please do the same will ya?"

Kespa fanboys? Are those like Martians? ^^
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
August 24 2012 10:01 GMT
#1716
Leave Kespa.
Play in GSL, MLG, DH, IEM ...
???
Profit.
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ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 10:02 GMT
#1717
On August 24 2012 19:01 nepeta wrote:
Ad edit 5, "Seems like in Korea even KeSPA fanboys recognize an asshole move when they see it. Please do the same will ya?"

Kespa fanboys? Are those like Martians? ^^

Just look at the thread, there are still some who thinks Kespa is right and ESF is wrong. And claiming Gom IS esf. -_-
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 24 2012 10:02 GMT
#1718
On August 24 2012 19:01 nepeta wrote:
Ad edit 5, "Seems like in Korea even KeSPA fanboys recognize an asshole move when they see it. Please do the same will ya?"

Kespa fanboys? Are those like Martians? ^^


KeSPA is pretty universally hated except a few fanatic (which oddly enough seems to be more in TL than in Korea). BW fans put up with them because there was no alternative, SC2 fans obviously is not going to put up with it.
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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
August 24 2012 10:02 GMT
#1719
On August 24 2012 19:01 bluQ wrote:
Leave Kespa.
Play in GSL, MLG, DH, IEM ...
???
Profit.

Leave Kespa.
Lose big salary
???
No profit.
Romanes eunt domus
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
August 24 2012 10:03 GMT
#1720
On August 24 2012 19:02 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:01 bluQ wrote:
Leave Kespa.
Play in GSL, MLG, DH, IEM ...
???
Profit.

Leave Kespa.
Lose big salary
???
No profit.


hey if they join a ESF team they might get paid in ramen
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