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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 23 2012 18:02 GMT
#981
Blizzard has ultimate control here. They can pull broadcasting rights of whoever they want for no reason at all.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 23 2012 18:04 GMT
#982
Interesting hope blizzard gets them to change their minds as kespa shouldn't ignore GSL -_-.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Inverse1
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom61 Posts
August 23 2012 18:04 GMT
#983
Well tbh i'm not sure it would matter too much yet. Some of the kespa pro's are good, but it's not likely that many, if any of them would get through the quagmire of the code A qualifiers to anywhere near qualifying.
i'm about to open some fuckin' windows
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
August 23 2012 18:05 GMT
#984
On August 24 2012 03:02 Medrea wrote:
Blizzard has ultimate control here. They can pull broadcasting rights of whoever they want for no reason at all.


Unless there's a contract with Blizzard for broadcast rights for a longer period (which I suspect GOM and Kespa both have), in which case the organization that gets their broadcast rights pulled could sue and would most likely win.
Such flammable little insects!
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 18:08:36
August 23 2012 18:07 GMT
#985
On August 24 2012 03:05 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 03:02 Medrea wrote:
Blizzard has ultimate control here. They can pull broadcasting rights of whoever they want for no reason at all.


Unless there's a contract with Blizzard for broadcast rights for a longer period (which I suspect GOM and Kespa both have), in which case the organization that gets their broadcast rights pulled could sue and would most likely win.


Pretty sure Blizzard reserves the right to cancel or terminate at any time. Can't be sued.

I mean think about it. With such a clause there whats Gom or Kespa gonna do? NOT sign? You either want to broadcast SC2 tournaments with all of Blizzards rules, or you dont.

I find it hard to believe Blizzard would leave themselves open like that.
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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
August 23 2012 18:08 GMT
#986
Kespa is that child on the playground who disagrees with everyone and only wants everyone to do what he is doing.
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Drlemur
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
August 23 2012 18:08 GMT
#987
I wonder if Kespa requested seeds into GSL for their players so they (or at least some of them) could avoid fighting through the very difficult preliminaries. If GOM was unwilling, maybe that prompted them to pull out entirely?

Just a guess.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 23 2012 18:14 GMT
#988
On August 24 2012 03:08 Drlemur wrote:
I wonder if Kespa requested seeds into GSL for their players so they (or at least some of them) could avoid fighting through the very difficult preliminaries. If GOM was unwilling, maybe that prompted them to pull out entirely?

Just a guess.


GOM was going to give out 2 Code S seed 2 UnD seed and 4 Code A seed.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Gospadin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States84 Posts
August 23 2012 18:16 GMT
#989
On August 24 2012 02:40 Sutekhy wrote:
Haha Code A being a slap in the face for the Kespa players? I'd be willing to bet that less than half of the kespa players would even make it out of code a.


+1

Code A qualifiers (and Code A itself) is the hardest tournament on the planet.

Every single up-and-coming SC2 player is taking their shot at the stars, leading to a very unstable metagame.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 18:22:48
August 23 2012 18:19 GMT
#990
Am I missing something here or is everyone going crazy? Isn't it still entirely possible that they are avoiding participation because they don't feel ready skill wise and want to maintain hype and not because they are trying to monopolize the industry and kill GOM?
And what if there actually are scheduling conflicts with an as of now un-announced tournament?

I mean, their track record indicates otherwise, but arent we getting ahead of ourselves?
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
August 23 2012 18:19 GMT
#991
The whole KeSPA is evil / no they're doing the right thing debate aside, why does anyone think, and worse yet, EMBRACE the thought that Blizzard "has the right to pull the plug" on any tournament at any given time? They get their profits from developing the game by selling the actual game; how is it right that they demand a cut from basically everything related to the game on top of that? Their support for e-sports scene is a joke and always has been, if they start pushing whatever teams / players into doing things how they see fit that's probably the single worst thing that could happen to SC scene as a whole.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 23 2012 18:20 GMT
#992
On August 24 2012 02:47 mycro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 02:47 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:43 Xiphos wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:41 setzer wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:33 Xiphos wrote:
As soon as OGN purchases Artosis + Tasteless combo for their international fanbase, I think that would be the end for GOM TV. So they should get on that asap.


And you benefit from GOM dying how?


You don't want to know.


Yes, I do.


Me, aswell.


Hey you asked for it.

Well OSL is filled with my favorite guys, namely JangBi + BaBy

And GOM TV have the top tier English commentating that OSL can't offer.

Place those two component into one entity and I'll be one happy panda.

And the only way to do that is for OGN to get those two on board.

In the same process, GSL would probably die off due to my guilty pleasure.

I will be surely guilty for the 'catastrophic' event on GOM's part, yes. But momentarily, I will also be pleased.

And as Patrick Bateman once said: "...it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves."

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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
August 23 2012 18:20 GMT
#993
On August 24 2012 03:07 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 03:05 Rannasha wrote:
On August 24 2012 03:02 Medrea wrote:
Blizzard has ultimate control here. They can pull broadcasting rights of whoever they want for no reason at all.


Unless there's a contract with Blizzard for broadcast rights for a longer period (which I suspect GOM and Kespa both have), in which case the organization that gets their broadcast rights pulled could sue and would most likely win.


Pretty sure Blizzard reserves the right to cancel or terminate at any time. Can't be sued.

I mean think about it. With such a clause there whats Gom or Kespa gonna do? NOT sign? You either want to broadcast SC2 tournaments with all of Blizzards rules, or you dont.

I find it hard to believe Blizzard would leave themselves open like that.

Why are you assuming contract terms? What's the point of saying what Blizzard can or cannot do legally without actually knowing what the terms are?
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InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
August 23 2012 18:21 GMT
#994
:/ storylines in WCS were pretty exciting kinda bummed to not see how the Kespa players would do in the korean sc2 players home 'turf'
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 18:24:53
August 23 2012 18:22 GMT
#995
patience people! they been playing only a few months now and hybrid league is still going on with whos going to the playoff being a very close race.

if i was kespa i would probably do the same for the sake of sponsors wanting their players do well. what we saw at wcs was only a handful and only a few got through meanwhile shitload of kespa players didnt make it or try.

kespa players are simply not at the top of their level.

however, i personally would hold a meeting and see how the players feel and see how many would like to enter and whatnot but thats questioning the system and that seems unproductive so there is no need.

be patient, it will come. as for osl, osl is the home of kespa individual league and "gom players" are not tied to gom in any way like kespa and bw pros.

i root for kespa players and it would suck so much if 40 kespa players entered gsl qualifiers and only 5 got through, if that.

and i still dont like gom for not taking care of koreans outside of korea after 2 years. unlike majority here, i stopped watching gsl and whole sc2 streams because of english commentary and started watching sc2 again thanks to ogn's korean commentary.
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camilocraft
Profile Joined September 2010
Colombia33 Posts
August 23 2012 18:23 GMT
#996
On August 24 2012 02:23 Signus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 02:15 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 24 2012 02:11 Signus wrote:
On August 24 2012 01:54 Seraphic wrote:
I wish half of you would STOP theory crafting BS.

Honestly it's a bit irritating to read when you have no facts to back it up. Have all of you forgotten already when WCS first started, KeSPA players did horrendous? Or has that been completely lost since their run through the losers bracket? Some of the KeSPA players are definitely good enough for Code S. Throwing all of them at Code A seems a huge slap in the face with some of the players, even if they want to be there or not.

KeSPA will be in GSL eventually when they are ready. We seen only a handfull of players from KeSPA in the WCS, compared how much GSL players are there, the discrepancy is way too much.

I'd much rather see great games, then once again lopsided ones. Give them time for god sakes.


That's the point though, some of the Kespa players are ready to go up against the top GSL players, but most of them are not. Having them play in a single Best of series is in their comfort zone and they are obviously going to do much better than expected in that format.

However, there is almost nothing to indicate any Kespa player could make it through the minefield that is Code A Qualifiers. I wouldn't bet real money on Seed or Mvp to manage to make it into Code A through there, so why would the Kespa players put themselves up to be humiliated at the lowest level of GSL? This is why OSL qualifiers was divided between Kespa and GSL players, so they could guarantee having representation in their own tournament. If it had been an open qualifier requiring only a progaming license like OSL usually does, we would have maybe one or two Kespa players make it through and that doesn't bode well for OGN or Kespa on the business side of things.

Things would be a lot different if GOM guaranteed a few Code S slots to Kespa players to qualify for, but that would be way too unfair to the players who are already in the tournament.


How is that the point? Those who are ready can enter, those who are not can stay home and practice (or enter anyway and learn from the experience). Why is that because some player are not ready, no one can enter?


Because if they are allowed to participate, most of the players will do so. That's what they do, play the game. Unfortunately, they are being barred from doing so since if someone of Jaedong or Flash's stature doesn't get into Code A, it will be very embarrassing. So to protect the marketability of their players, Kespa is keeping everyone out to ensure they don't look bad for not being able to get into the SC2 minor league.


Is pretty funny that some people said that the GSL is some SC2 minor league. Actually is and has been the main SC2 league in the short history of SC2. I really cannot understand how, or why (as a foreing) the OSL is big.

OSL with a VOD system with crap quality, no english commentary and clearly poor quality games compared to GSL for me is the minor SC2 league.

Yes I know something about the history and yes I know little to non about the BW era, but guess what, now I see a lot of SC2 because GOM created an infrastructure to allow me to become a fan.

I really don´t know how koreans percieve the GSL but for US is the TOP TOP TOP TOP SC2 league. The first SC2 OSL is just like Open Season 1, a lot of hype but in the end we will talk about how bad they were playing at this stages.

Personally I want to se more players, even if they see something bad, because you could say, remember that guy playing like crap, well right now is a f***ing god

:D
Nothing for now. Thanks Anyway
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
August 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#997
On August 24 2012 03:19 Sethronu wrote:
The whole KeSPA is evil / no they're doing the right thing debate aside, why does anyone think, and worse yet, EMBRACE the thought that Blizzard "has the right to pull the plug" on any tournament at any given time? They get their profits from developing the game by selling the actual game; how is it right that they demand a cut from basically everything related to the game on top of that? Their support for e-sports scene is a joke and always has been, if they start pushing whatever teams / players into doing things how they see fit that's probably the single worst thing that could happen to SC scene as a whole.


It's Blizzards game we watch and play. They own the IP, run the servers, and do the patching. I'd rather see them in control than kespa, MLG, or any other company.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#998
Well, I'm not buying a ticket now.

I don't think this will be good. Kespa could drop SC2 altogether if Blizzard is too bossy.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 23 2012 18:26 GMT
#999
On August 24 2012 03:25 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 03:19 Sethronu wrote:
The whole KeSPA is evil / no they're doing the right thing debate aside, why does anyone think, and worse yet, EMBRACE the thought that Blizzard "has the right to pull the plug" on any tournament at any given time? They get their profits from developing the game by selling the actual game; how is it right that they demand a cut from basically everything related to the game on top of that? Their support for e-sports scene is a joke and always has been, if they start pushing whatever teams / players into doing things how they see fit that's probably the single worst thing that could happen to SC scene as a whole.


It's Blizzards game we watch and play. They own the IP, run the servers, and do the patching. I'd rather see them in control than kespa, MLG, or any other company.


In that case, Esport is a joke that can be shut down at ease anytime.
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ShadowReaver
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada563 Posts
August 23 2012 18:27 GMT
#1000
Same old KeSPA, this doesn't suprise me one bit. GOM you can take my e-sports money to the bank.
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