No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 48

On August 24 2012 01:55 ImNightmare wrote:

No idea, but I read somewhere on this thread that no kespa players will be attending the upcoming MLG. Or did I make a mistake?

On August 24 2012 01:52 Squeegy wrote:


But Kespa players have done quite well, in fact better, than GSL players in their common tournaments so far. This protecting their players thing seems to be a little shaky explanation. Moreover, as you pointed out, GSL players are playing in OSL. I think Kespa are highly confident in their own players (and for a reason).

On August 24 2012 02:11 OpticalShot wrote:
I feel like fans in Korea and abroad (like here) are blowing this way out of proportions. You could easily make a list of reasons why KeSPA would want to impose such a rule:

- Schedule conflicts: KeSPA players have the PL and OSL to keep up with
- Skill disparity: until PL is fully SC2, KeSPA may want its players to give more adaptation time. Recent WCS games make it look like some players are ready, but that's another length discussion for another time.
- Proleague: let's face it, it's downhill right now (with 8 teams now and most likely less in the future) and KeSPA can't take any risks that would endanger the proleague
- Cost-versus-benefit: there are obvious costs to maintaining the teams, why send players to a league with virtually no presence in Korea (not much gain) while GOMTV makes money from the international subscribers? Better keep them available for where they make money (OGN).

It's just a standard, business-as-usual decision. I don't see why this has to become a political power struggle debate.

On August 24 2012 02:09 convention wrote:

It was actually about even between GOM v Kespa, but you have to remember that GOM did have some of their weaker players, whereas Kespa on had their stronger players. Not to mention winners round of 8 was 7 GOM and 1 Kespa. Of the top 10 it was 7 GOM, 3 Kespa. Most of the interviews put the Kespa players at the level of the Up & Downs. Also, from Creator and some other's interviews, the Kespa people have actually been playing for much longer than what they are saying. I doubt they will be facerolling everyone in another few months.

On August 24 2012 02:11 Signus wrote:


That's the point though, some of the Kespa players are ready to go up against the top GSL players, but most of them are not. Having them play in a single Best of series is in their comfort zone and they are obviously going to do much better than expected in that format.

However, there is almost nothing to indicate any Kespa player could make it through the minefield that is Code A Qualifiers. I wouldn't bet real money on Seed or Mvp to manage to make it into Code A through there, so why would the Kespa players put themselves up to be humiliated at the lowest level of GSL? This is why OSL qualifiers was divided between Kespa and GSL players, so they could guarantee having representation in their own tournament. If it had been an open qualifier requiring only a progaming license like OSL usually does, we would have maybe one or two Kespa players make it through and that doesn't bode well for OGN or Kespa on the business side of things.

Things would be a lot different if GOM guaranteed a few Code S slots to Kespa players to qualify for, but that would be way too unfair to the players who are already in the tournament.

On August 24 2012 02:12 Shadow_Dog wrote:
Everyone needs to chill and remember that Blizz has everyone by the balls. I think GOM is in the best possible position out of anyone.
Here's the worst scenario:
KeSPA owned players continue to pull out of GSL, etc.
Everyone gets kinda pissed and they continue to do so
Blizzard blacklists OGN, KeSPA, and their training houses
Non KeSPA players pull out of OGN's leagues (whatever their association is called)
KeSPA, OGN, and players are pissed.
I actually think that this was one of the reasons that Blizzard didn't want to put LAN into the game.

On August 24 2012 02:17 Xiphos wrote:


Oh man and then every Kespa guys goes back to play Brood War! Oh noes!

On August 24 2012 02:19 Seraphic wrote:
Blizz wants control, and they know the KeSPA players bring the crowds. Blizzard is still just 1 company, if they do anything against KeSPA, they are basically running into the South Korean government + Samsung, and 3 of the biggest companies in South Korea.

I think Blizz needs to layoff and hear out why KeSPA pulled their players before they do anything. This is the problem I been finding with Blizzard recently, their ego is cashing out something they cannot control.

On August 24 2012 02:15 ragz_gt wrote:


How is that the point? Those who are ready can enter, those who are not can stay home and practice (or enter anyway and learn from the experience). Why is that because some player are not ready, no one can enter?

On August 24 2012 02:11 OpticalShot wrote:
I feel like fans in Korea and abroad (like here) are blowing this way out of proportions. You could easily make a list of reasons why KeSPA would want to impose such a rule:

- Schedule conflicts: KeSPA players have the PL and OSL to keep up with
- Skill disparity: until PL is fully SC2, KeSPA may want its players to give more adaptation time. Recent WCS games make it look like some players are ready, but that's another length discussion for another time.
- Proleague: let's face it, it's downhill right now (with 8 teams now and most likely less in the future) and KeSPA can't take any risks that would endanger the proleague
- Cost-versus-benefit: there are obvious costs to maintaining the teams, why send players to a league with virtually no presence in Korea (not much gain) while GOMTV makes money from the international subscribers? Better keep them available for where they make money (OGN).

It's just a standard, business-as-usual decision. I don't see why this has to become a political power struggle debate.

On August 24 2012 02:19 Seraphic wrote:
Blizz wants control, and they know the KeSPA players bring the crowds. Blizzard is still just 1 company, if they do anything against KeSPA, they are basically running into the South Korean government + Samsung, and 3 of the biggest companies in South Korea.

I think Blizz needs to layoff and hear out why KeSPA pulled their players before they do anything. This is the problem I been finding with Blizzard recently, their ego is cashing out something they cannot control.

On August 24 2012 02:17 bokchoi wrote:
Don't see why this is such a big deal. KeSPA players are still playing BW and SC2. Now, if KeSPA players were only play SC2 and refused to play GSL it might be an issue. Also, doesn't the schedule of PL and OSL potentially run at the same time as GSL? There's scheduling issues there too.

On August 24 2012 01:45 Anta wrote:
i wonder why the Kespa players are always so calm when Kespa makes thees decisions !?

do i miss it? are they just calm? or do they even appreciate the decisions made?