EPTKespa not letting BW pros compete in GSL, this sounds so stupid and retarded. They should have the right to play anywhere anytime if they(and team) want to, just like everyone else. You will never get my support Kespa, just ridiculous decisions and rules.
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Noc-
Finland850 Posts
Kespa not letting BW pros compete in GSL, this sounds so stupid and retarded. They should have the right to play anywhere anytime if they(and team) want to, just like everyone else. You will never get my support Kespa, just ridiculous decisions and rules. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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zala2023
United States228 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:49 Wingblade wrote: The problem to me is that if they really wanted to protect the image of the players right now, they would have blocked GOM players from participating in OSL. People are acting like the Kespa players would get creamed in GSL, and rightfully so. But they are going to ruin their players reputations with OSL, because they WILL get smashed anyways. But now, they can only get smashed in their own league, where it profits them, and ONLY them. If they really wanted to protect their players "image", there would not be GOM players in OSL this season. But Kespa players have done quite well, in fact better, than GSL players in their common tournaments so far. This protecting their players thing seems to be a little shaky explanation. Moreover, as you pointed out, GSL players are playing in OSL. I think Kespa are highly confident in their own players (and for a reason). | ||
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S:klogW
Austria657 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:49 Wingblade wrote: The problem to me is that if they really wanted to protect the image of the players right now, they would have blocked GOM players from participating in OSL. People are acting like the Kespa players would get creamed in GSL, and rightfully so. But they are going to ruin their players reputations with OSL, because they WILL get smashed anyways. But now, they can only get smashed in their own league, where it profits them, and ONLY them. If they really wanted to protect their players "image", there would not be GOM players in OSL this season. If the siruation is what you say it is, the Kespa is merely doing a sound business move. Anyway, I haven't seen any Kespa players play yet. Are they good? I mean GOM level good? | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
Honestly it's a bit irritating to read when you have no facts to back it up. Have all of you forgotten already when WCS first started, KeSPA players did horrendous? Or has that been completely lost since their run through the losers bracket? Some of the KeSPA players are definitely good enough for Code S. Throwing all of them at Code A seems a huge slap in the face with some of the players, even if they want to be there or not. KeSPA will be in GSL eventually when they are ready. We seen only a handfull of players from KeSPA in the WCS, compared how much GSL players are there, the discrepancy is way too much. I'd much rather see great games, then once again lopsided ones. Give them time for god sakes. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:54 Bagi wrote: Are Kespa players allowed to play in foreign tournaments? No idea, but I read somewhere on this thread that no kespa players will be attending the upcoming MLG. Or did I make a mistake? | ||
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eleaf
526 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:53 S:klogW wrote: If the siruation is what you say it is, the Kespa is merely doing a sound business move. Anyway, I haven't seen any Kespa players play yet. Are they good? I mean GOM level good? Well, in WCS they have defeated multiple Code S level guys, including DRG, Puzzle, Gumiho, Leenock, Curious... and of course more. Most of the GSL vs Kespa in that tournament were won by Kespa. So, they definitely are competetive. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:55 ImNightmare wrote: No idea, but I read somewhere on this thread that no kespa players will be attending the upcoming MLG. Or did I make a mistake? No you're right. They aren't attending MLG. Sundance said KesPA has scheduling conflict. | ||
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:54 Bagi wrote: Are Kespa players allowed to play in foreign tournaments? Pretty much no. They have an exclusive deal with MLG, meaning MLG is the only place they could play. They have not sent anyone to this MLG, and therefore we won't be seeing them anywhere else either. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
This reason alone is what's keepingn me from bawling my eyes out. They still need more time to perfect their play. The games we've seen so far in WCS Korea between KeSPA and GOM players have been phenomenal and really showcase the raw skill these players have acquired from playing the first game. But the BW gods still need a couple/few more months to train till they really shine, in my opinion. Here's hoping they begin their facerolling in Season 5!!  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:55 eleaf wrote: Honestly, I dont expect Blizzard do anything about this. It took them 2-3 years to finally only make KeSPA recognize SC2 as a 'official KeSPA game', with nothing else huge in the deal. KeSPA is just too strong in Korea, it's a governmental/political thing being involved. Just like dealing with China government about human rights (no offense), you cant expect much about the result. Though it is the common sense that everyone should have their own freedom and we work hard to defend it and help others protect their rights, it is the reality that freedom is still not an option in many places on earth. It took them two to three years to sue Kespa into recognizing that they need Blizzard's approval to show SC2 on TV and hold tournament. | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
After all, GOM is still the sole and exclusive rights holder to broadcasting SC2 in Korea. If Kespa or OGN does not want to play along it would seem that they would have the right to not allow them to broadcast in Korea. Although it does not sound like GOM is anywhere close to taking such drastic measures and things may have changed since, but i could not find anything to the contrary. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323310 As GOM said this is also very disappointing for fans as we were under the impression that they would all be cooperating..like they said they would. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332406 Players are not ready simply doesn't seem like a good enough excuse anymore, maybe scheduling conflicts, but it still seems quite odd that this is occurring. And to say that they would be forced to put all their players into the qualifiers is silly, they would only send those who believe they are ready. Hopefully blizzard will give us a reason and assurance that there will be cooperation in the future. | ||
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IMSmooth
United States679 Posts
This is where you thank them for no LAN | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 23 2012 16:45 TheAmazombie wrote: They had said that the Kespa players were invited to play and that it sounded like some of them would go through the qualifiers. Not now though... They planned to give KeSPA players 2 Code S seed, 2 UnD seed and 4 Code A seed. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:55 Squeegy wrote: Well, in WCS they have defeated multiple Code S level guys, including DRG, Puzzle, Gumiho, Leenock, Curious... and of course more. Most of the GSL vs Kespa in that tournament were won by Kespa. So, they definitely are competetive. It was actually about even between GOM v Kespa, but you have to remember that GOM did have some of their weaker players, whereas Kespa on had their stronger players. Not to mention winners round of 8 was 7 GOM and 1 Kespa. Of the top 10 it was 7 GOM, 3 Kespa. Most of the interviews put the Kespa players at the level of the Up & Downs. Also, from Creator and some other's interviews, the Kespa people have actually been playing for much longer than what they are saying. I doubt they will be facerolling everyone in another few months. | ||
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Signus
United States269 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:54 Seraphic wrote: I wish half of you would STOP theory crafting BS. Honestly it's a bit irritating to read when you have no facts to back it up. Have all of you forgotten already when WCS first started, KeSPA players did horrendous? Or has that been completely lost since their run through the losers bracket? Some of the KeSPA players are definitely good enough for Code S. Throwing all of them at Code A seems a huge slap in the face with some of the players, even if they want to be there or not. KeSPA will be in GSL eventually when they are ready. We seen only a handfull of players from KeSPA in the WCS, compared how much GSL players are there, the discrepancy is way too much. I'd much rather see great games, then once again lopsided ones. Give them time for god sakes. That's the point though, some of the Kespa players are ready to go up against the top GSL players, but most of them are not. Having them play in a single Best of series is in their comfort zone and they are obviously going to do much better than expected in that format. However, there is almost nothing to indicate any Kespa player could make it through the minefield that is Code A Qualifiers. I wouldn't bet real money on Seed or Mvp to manage to make it into Code A through there, so why would the Kespa players put themselves up to be humiliated at the lowest level of GSL? This is why OSL qualifiers was divided between Kespa and GSL players, so they could guarantee having representation in their own tournament. If it had been an open qualifier requiring only a progaming license like OSL usually does, we would have maybe one or two Kespa players make it through and that doesn't bode well for OGN or Kespa on the business side of things. Things would be a lot different if GOM guaranteed a few Code S slots to Kespa players to qualify for, but that would be way too unfair to the players who are already in the tournament. | ||
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