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On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR movie against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway.
Yeah it doesn't help their cause if JD/Bisu/Flash get smashed by some random "dish washers."
There's 3 plausible reasons for this:
1) Kespa pro's aren't ready.
2) They want to focus on PL playoffs (which matters a TON more to sponsors than random individual leagues, and yes, GSL is a random individual league right now).
3) Kespa takeover.
1 & 2 are very likely while 3 is a distant distant possibility that some people (who don't even know wtf Kespa does) are happily jumping on the bandwagon for as if it already happened.
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The saddest part is that Jaedong wanted to compete through the Code A qualifiers. Now he won't have a chance to.
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On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway.
If they went through the qualifies they would be qualified. And why shouldn't they be allowed to try?
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On August 24 2012 01:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The saddest part is that Jaedong wanted to compete through the Code A qualifiers. Now he won't have a chance to.
 I was so happy when I thought I could see more of the dong.
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On August 24 2012 01:20 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR movie against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway. Yeah it doesn't help their cause if JD/Bisu/Flash get smashed by some random "dish washers." There's 3 plausible reasons for this: 1) Kespa pro's aren't ready. 2) They want to focus on PL playoffs (which matters a TON more to sponsors than random individual leagues, and yes, GSL is a random individual league right now). 3) Kespa takeover. 1 & 2 are very likely while 3 is a distant distant possibility that some people (who don't even know wtf Kespa does) are happily jumping on the bandwagon for as if it already happened.
Something along the lines of "those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it" cases, so people are nervous.
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On August 24 2012 01:21 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The saddest part is that Jaedong wanted to compete through the Code A qualifiers. Now he won't have a chance to. I was so happy when I thought I could see more of the dong.
You know you get like 6 qualifiers per year right?
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On August 24 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:06 paddyz wrote:
Let the players/teams pick what they want to play in. The teams did but according to foreigners they chose wrong, so now Blizzard should decide for them
the teams choose, but if you watched any of the WCS interviews from the likes of jaedong/reality/soulkey /effort etc they all mentioned that they hope to play in GSL Code A qualifiers buts its up to the teams to decide.
So this to me gives me the impression that the players want to play, but the sponsors aka kesper do not want to support gom by having there players play in gom.
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On August 24 2012 01:22 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:21 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 01:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:
The saddest part is that Jaedong wanted to compete through the Code A qualifiers. Now he won't have a chance to. I was so happy when I thought I could see more of the dong. You know you get like 6 qualifiers per year right?
Wow wtf is wrong with you? you are being so aggressive with your "Kespa is king" stance. Stop being annoying, not everyone thinks Kespa is good and what is wrong with wanting to seem more of jaedong?
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On August 24 2012 01:19 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway. I guess you didn't watch WCS? Its frightening how much Kespa players have improved. Even Hero said in his interview that GSL players didnt predict they (BW players, fuck saying Kespa players) will catch up so fast.
Your hatred against KeSPA is hilarious to read when you can spot the KeSPA logo from the Team 8 tag on your posts.
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How long do the KeSPA contracts last for?
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So they decide to not participate in the world's hardest tournament. I am sorry, but I am not willing to watch random Kespa players face each other in proleague or get seeds for other tournaments.
I do not appreciate that and I will not watch Kespa-only games.
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On August 24 2012 01:07 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:06 paddyz wrote:
Let the players/teams pick what they want to play in. The teams did but according to foreigners they chose wrong, so now Blizzard should decide for them
Blizzard already had to sue them once over the rights to show SC2 on TV, because KESPA argued that BW and starcraft as a whole publicly owned. After settling that, Blizzard agreed to let Kespa show SC2 as long as they played nice with the other leagues. Blizzard does not want exclusive leagues or players to be locked down and they have the ability to pull the broadcast rights for anyone who tries to do so.
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On August 24 2012 01:24 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:19 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway. I guess you didn't watch WCS? Its frightening how much Kespa players have improved. Even Hero said in his interview that GSL players didnt predict they (BW players, fuck saying Kespa players) will catch up so fast. Your hatred against KeSPA is hilarious to read when you can spot the KeSPA logo from the Team 8 tag on your posts.
Well they don't have a jaedong logo.
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On August 24 2012 01:26 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:24 Gosi wrote:On August 24 2012 01:19 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway. I guess you didn't watch WCS? Its frightening how much Kespa players have improved. Even Hero said in his interview that GSL players didnt predict they (BW players, fuck saying Kespa players) will catch up so fast. Your hatred against KeSPA is hilarious to read when you can spot the KeSPA logo from the Team 8 tag on your posts. Well they don't have a jaedong logo.
They do, it's called Hwaseung Oz. 
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There's no real reason players can't play in both leagues at the same time. BW veterans routinely played in OSL and MSL at the same time and many even played in the GOM BW League for the few seasons it existed as well.
Kespa is doing this to protect the image of their players, who would almost certainly stuggle if they attempted to make it through Code A qualifiers. Imagine if Bisu was forced to get through Courage during a major slump just so he could attempt to get into MSL? That's the situation the Kespa players are in, the hype behind OSL and the GOM vs Kespa storyline would be completely annihilated if none of the big names could manage to get through what is essentially an SC2 B-Team tournament.
It's a shame, because this means OGN gets the advantage of having the Kespa vs GSL rivalry and GOM doesn't see any of it. Code A Qualifiers might be the most difficult tournament in SC2 right now, but I still think Kespa should have sent a few of their players to show they were serious about cooperating and to test the waters for next season. Right now, they look like the same old assholes who boycotted GOM during BW, not a good thing to be when they are trying to build up their public image.
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On August 24 2012 00:52 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:32 StarStruck wrote:
As I mentioned before many times already. The lead organizers (IEMs, NASLs, IPLs, GOM, KeSPA, MLGs) really do have to come together at the end of their seasons and work together to create a real pro circuit where each organizer plays host.
It would have to be a long-term deal as well. Make policy standard, etc. etc. etc.
It would be a very long process but in order for each party to truly benefit something like that would have to be arranged instead of all this bush league crap.
Get rid of it. Pro Circuit like the ATP.
That's what I would like to see and it all starts with a summit between the pro teams and all the big tournament organizers.
All the majors could use a makeover. A change would be nice.
One can only dream. If you want legitimacy in the sport something like this is necessary. The problem with ATP-like e-sport scene is IP. ATP-like federation for SC2 players will govern rights of players and organize pro-circuit however it may be a bit tricky business considering that they can be vetoed anytime by Blizzard and you can't plan really longterm. How long will SC2 stay competetive e-sport game? A decade more? Possible but not really likely. The other problem is that I don't think KeSPA will be eager to listen to any other esport federation. Also this esport schedule will be tricky. It will have the power to limit the growth of some events in favor of other. Some time ago there were conflicting Assembly and MLG (I think) events. How do you choose between these two excellent tournaments? Another problemy is StarLeague format (OSL, GSL, NASL, TSL) which does not really favor pro-circuit calendar. Rather few day events (DreamHack, ROG, IPL, HSC). This happen in tennis where it is hard to join the elite group of top tennis tournaments. The Grand Slams have history and sentiment behind but joining ATP 1000 masters series tournaments group is near impossible.
That's the thing. They have to act as a separate entity from Blizzard altogether and that means Blizzard would have to give up the rights to the new found association which includes the organizers, teams and players.
Policy would have to go right across the board. I can see something like this actually benefiting the organizers even though I know they're only looking out for themselves and they want to push their own product and sponsors.
One of the potent problems with this would be the ridiculous travel schedule and expenses for flying the players off to all the locations.
You wouldn't have conflicting schedules because like I said it the entire Tour circuit would be organized together. We can include league play and the individual circuit as well. The problem is you would have a tour destination every 2-3 weeks in a season.
Like I said, all the formats would fall under one policy. For the PL and individual tournaments everything would become standardized and we would have a proper ranking system.
Of course KeSPA would never agree to such an agreement. The other organizers would definitely be able to fit all their dates in.
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On August 24 2012 01:27 Signus wrote:
There's no real reason players can't play in both leagues at the same time. BW veterans routinely played in OSL and MSL at the same time and many even played in the GOM BW League for the few seasons it existed as well.
Kespa is doing this to protect the image of their players, who would almost certainly stuggle if they attempted to make it through Code A qualifiers. Imagine if Bisu was forced to get through Courage during a major slump just so he could attempt to get into MSL? That's the situation the Kespa players are in, the hype behind OSL and the GOM vs Kespa storyline would be completely annihilated if none of the big names could manage to get through what is essentially an SC2 B-Team tournament.
It's a shame, because this means OGN gets the advantage of having the Kespa vs GSL rivalry and GOM doesn't see any of it. Code A Qualifiers might be the most difficult tournament in SC2 right now, but I still think Kespa should have sent a few of their players to show they were serious about cooperating and to test the waters for next season. Right now, they look like the same old assholes who boycotted GOM during BW, not a good thing to be when they are trying to build up their public image.
Yes, I do see this as protecting the player's image.
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On August 24 2012 01:27 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:26 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 01:24 Gosi wrote:On August 24 2012 01:19 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway. I guess you didn't watch WCS? Its frightening how much Kespa players have improved. Even Hero said in his interview that GSL players didnt predict they (BW players, fuck saying Kespa players) will catch up so fast. Your hatred against KeSPA is hilarious to read when you can spot the KeSPA logo from the Team 8 tag on your posts. Well they don't have a jaedong logo. They do, it's called Hwaseung Oz.
Already a past bro, a beautiful era but still a history... But I see you are a lover of history too.
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I'm not going to jump the gun and start hating KeSPA but my theory is that the teams who will be in the proleague playoffs might have made the case that teams who are out of the playoffs will have an advantage in the future because they can focus solely on SC2 while the remaining teams have to still practice BW.
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Is it that hard to get the whole point here?
What is happenning is pretty simple. For Kespa they OWN all the rights from players to teams. Probably they asked for money from Gom since they would be showing their players and they refute it right away. Since they don't want to give Kespa some money they don't want to send their babies.
It's allways money in the end. It hapenned with the fight against Blizzard and it's hapenning again now. I would put all my money in this.
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