EPTNo Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 43
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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote: Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Implying that allowing a league to run for 3 seasons and not stopping any teams from participating except those that chose not to themselves is "fucking gom hard" | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:47 StarStruck wrote: The KeSPA website leaves something to be desired. Each team has a sponsor on the KeSPA board. They set policy for the games they host tournaments/leagues for. As far as I know, there is no player union for any established title. It's not easy setting up a union for the players and I'm sure KeSPA would do everything in their power to stop such a thing materalizing because they do like flaunting their power and influence. It's also pretty easy to take advantage of little boys, but the good news is a lot of these boys are turning into men. We're well beyond the first generation of pro gamer athletes. I'm sure the players and their parents will say enough is enough soon. Not only do we have to intertwine the leagues together, but we have to do this for the players as well. Hear-hear! I completely agree, there is no such thing as a player's union, I remember Stork trying to raise it after the announcement of the dual PL tournaments: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339466 Hopefully there will be some growing up had. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:35 Weirdkid wrote: I'm not quite getting this Kespa are the teams / The teams are Kespa thing. Any links that I can take a look at it to better understand the situation? Looking at the Kespa website, it just looks to me like an organisation that governs the whole eSports scene in Korea, headed by a president and other people. Sure, the teams are part of in this organisation, but I don't get how that means that "Kespa are the teams". To claim that, it either means that the bosses of the Starcraft teams are in the higher echelons of the organisation, or that Kespa only consists of these starcraft 2 teams. Or maybe my English is just failing  Or maybe we're talking about different Kespas. I'm just kinda lost haha.Please be gentle  I only started at SC2.its not just an organisation that governs esports, within kespa is represented all the big sponsors, samsung, korean telecom etc. Those companies fund the teams and support them for exposure, pays players salaries etc. they are kespa, they are the teams. | ||
nimdil
Poland3772 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:32 StarStruck wrote: As I mentioned before many times already. The lead organizers (IEMs, NASLs, IPLs, GOM, KeSPA, MLGs) really do have to come together at the end of their seasons and work together to create a real pro circuit where each organizer plays host. It would have to be a long-term deal as well. Make policy standard, etc. etc. etc. It would be a very long process but in order for each party to truly benefit something like that would have to be arranged instead of all this bush league crap. Get rid of it. Pro Circuit like the ATP. That's what I would like to see and it all starts with a summit between the pro teams and all the big tournament organizers. All the majors could use a makeover. A change would be nice. One can only dream. If you want legitimacy in the sport something like this is necessary. The problem with ATP-like e-sport scene is IP. ATP-like federation for SC2 players will govern rights of players and organize pro-circuit however it may be a bit tricky business considering that they can be vetoed anytime by Blizzard and you can't plan really longterm. How long will SC2 stay competetive e-sport game? A decade more? Possible but not really likely. The other problem is that I don't think KeSPA will be eager to listen to any other esport federation. Also this esport schedule will be tricky. It will have the power to limit the growth of some events in favor of other. Some time ago there were conflicting Assembly and MLG (I think) events. How do you choose between these two excellent tournaments? Another problemy is StarLeague format (OSL, GSL, NASL, TSL) which does not really favor pro-circuit calendar. Rather few day events (DreamHack, ROG, IPL, HSC). This happen in tennis where it is hard to join the elite group of top tennis tournaments. The Grand Slams have history and sentiment behind but joining ATP 1000 masters series tournaments group is near impossible. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:31 Talin wrote: I agree that was retarded, but it is what it is and we have to see it to the end now. Like I said, I don't think this decision was terminal for all future seasons as well. But Code A qualifiers are fairly soon(ish), and it's just a lot simpler for everyone to dodge GSL for one more season instead of going into it half-assed. Also there's been a few posts in the middle of this thread about Kespa announcing something big soon, so if that's actually true it might be related to the decision as well. We'll just have to wait and see then. Personally I think if this "big news" is preventing teams from participating in this GSL this season it likely will be used as an excuse to prevent participation in future seasons. Clearly, Blizzard and GOM has higher expectations of KeSPA when it comes to cooperation, and KeSPA isn't exactly making good on their word. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
It's obvious now that Kespa is looking only after their own interest, and are currently using the GSL players to get some popularity and viewership until they fully transition to SC2. I think is fair to assume that at one point Kespa will decide that only kespa licenced players can participate in OSL and will not allow gsl players to compete. This is obvious since Kespa represents BW teams, and from their perspective it's only logical to have OSL consisting of 100% kespa players, as that way teams can have more of their players in the league, meaning more exposure for the team and the sponsors. When Kespa teams get to the point where they can say that they have fully and successfully transitioned to sc2 (thanks to gsl players giving their league a boost when they needed it), I am certain they will decide that the OSL consisting of only kespa licenced players is sufficient enough for them. And to add, we as a community should fully stand behind Gom, as there is no Mr. Chae or John or great english casters in Kespa, nor do I feel there ever will be. I would not be surprised to see Kespa players not going to foreign tournaments as much as the current GSL players do. | ||
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Achaia
United States643 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote: Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. I agree, I loved the old GOM invitationals in BW they were so much fun to watch. I know that KeSPA brings a lot of years of professionally running BW but if they start pulling stuff like that in SC2 I really hope Blizzard just drops the hammer on them and shuts them out. Now that everyone knows that's where gaming is going they wouldn't be able to revive BW and we would most likely see the KeSPA players and teams switching over to GOM. KeSPA seriously seems to be run by a bunch of douche bags. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote: Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports... | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:39 ImNightmare wrote: Are we supposed to be suprised? Like this is Kespa we are talking about. They fucked gom in BW, of course they will fuck them in sc2. Actually yes. There were so many people that trusted Kespa in their MLG partnership and when they announced they will give out programer licenses to GSL players. I doubted them and my post were critized at that time ... its scary how quickly people put back trust in Kespa. You have to put your excitement and hopes aside for some moments, and think clearly. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
Is KeSPA the commercial power behind the Teams or do KeSPA Teams acquire their own sponsors? | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:55 Condor Hero wrote: Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports... You focus on the rise, but you didn't focus on the fall. I agree they were instrumental in the popularity of BW but Gom was a chance for BW to revive. Yet Kespa wanting to be the dominant market decide to destroy that chance. . Kespa even slam Nada and july when they played in gom. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
After the exclusive deal with MLG all that is happening is that Kespa is sticking to their contractual obligations?? | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote: Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. I know that, I just think the current situation is too different to be comparable. | ||
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gubbstrut
Sweden39 Posts
"Kespa and non kespa are always figthing, insted like on the foreign scene where they work together to make esports better" | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:59 ImNightmare wrote: You focus on the rise, but you didn't focus on the fall. I agree they were instrumental in the popularity of BW but Gom was a chance for BW to revive. Yet Kespa wanting to be the dominant market decide to destroy that chance. . Kespa even slam Nada and july when they played in gom. Players were complaining that they didn't get enough time to practice for 3 individual leagues and Proleague, you see that shit in SC2 too. That's the reason MC slumped so hard last year cuz no time for practice. Shitty leagues go under, that's capitalism. How can people be crying for both freedom of movement and not understand how business works? | ||
GTR
51691 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:57 Rustug wrote: I have a question, Is KeSPA the commercial power behind the Teams or do KeSPA Teams acquire their own sponsors? KeSPA as a whole are the sponsors. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On August 24 2012 01:03 howLiN wrote: I know that, I just think the current situation is too different to be comparable. Yeah.. This time round at least Blizzard has leverage and there are more foreign tournaments. Can't wait, just waiting for heroes to step up and say "fuck you kespa" and drop this "pro-gaming" license and proceed to play in GOm and foreign tournaments. I SHALL WAIT! | ||
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