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On August 24 2012 00:15 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:12 StarStruck wrote:On August 24 2012 00:11 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 00:05 Elroi wrote:
what you guys dont understand is that PL>all for these players/teams. if they went to all the random tournaments they wouldn't be able to play on such a high level. After all the coaches and players interviewed expressed a wish for players to particpate in the qualifiers, this is still a shitty decision. There is absolutely no reason that t8 decides not to go to the qualifiers because they're practicing for the spl, but ultimately that should be the teams decision. See this is what you aren't getting. It was the team's decision. KeSPA are the teams. It's the players who have little say. You're picking at the wrong bone. It just doesn't make sense for the lower ranked teams to decide that they don't want to play during this gsl season.
True, but it makes sense that these kinds of decisions are usually joint decisions though. If KT players were allowed to participate, then you can't really forbid T1 or Team8 players to have a go at it either. That would actually be a dick move from the playoff teams.
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On August 24 2012 00:14 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:14 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 00:10 Salazarz wrote:On August 24 2012 00:04 niteReloaded wrote:
If Kespa continues with this policy, and let's say even forbids its players participation in international tournaments, I can see a massive exodus from Kespa teams to international teams. Maybe law cases, terminations of contracts etc. There should be a measure on how much you can limit someone's freedom. Yeah, these guys who practiced with their teams together for years and received salaries that are higher than tournament winnings for all but the very few top SC2 pros are surely going to jump ship at the first opportunity. Where the hell are you getting this kind of nonsense from, really. Didn't hiya say he got like 35k a year or something on his stream? That doesn't seem like a very large amount of money to be honest, especially since that's absolutely going to be more then a practice partner. Better than a lot of non-Kespa players, that's for sure.
Sure, I wonder how much money someone of equivalent status to hiya would be able to earn in a sc2 team that facilitated him going to foreign tournaments etc. And I really wonder how much the average b-teamer was paid in comparison, because atm the people winning money in sc2 seem to be either foreigners/really good koreans.
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On August 24 2012 00:14 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:10 Salazarz wrote:On August 24 2012 00:04 niteReloaded wrote:
If Kespa continues with this policy, and let's say even forbids its players participation in international tournaments, I can see a massive exodus from Kespa teams to international teams. Maybe law cases, terminations of contracts etc. There should be a measure on how much you can limit someone's freedom. Yeah, these guys who practiced with their teams together for years and received salaries that are higher than tournament winnings for all but the very few top SC2 pros are surely going to jump ship at the first opportunity. Where the hell are you getting this kind of nonsense from, really. Didn't hiya say he got like 35k a year or something on his stream? That doesn't seem like a very large amount of money to be honest.
35k a year is quite a lot of money in Korea. On top of that, they do still get a shot at tournament prizes + PL performance bonuses etc. Considering Hiya during his best days was at most the second best player of a second echelon team, that's not terrible at all; most importantly, he has the confidence he will continue getting that salary.
Also, these teams have way more coaching and practice support than any of the GSL or foreign teams. Just check the winners interviews of any GSL player - they might mention 1-2 teammates for 'helping them practice', or sometimes none at all. On the other hand the KeSPA teams it's all about the internal practice, which is obviously much more efficient.
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shot question: have the Kespa teams hired any new player in the last 2 years?
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On August 24 2012 00:15 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:12 StarStruck wrote:On August 24 2012 00:11 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 00:05 Elroi wrote:
what you guys dont understand is that PL>all for these players/teams. if they went to all the random tournaments they wouldn't be able to play on such a high level. After all the coaches and players interviewed expressed a wish for players to particpate in the qualifiers, this is still a shitty decision. There is absolutely no reason that t8 decides not to go to the qualifiers because they're practicing for the spl, but ultimately that should be the teams decision. See this is what you aren't getting. It was the team's decision. KeSPA are the teams. It's the players who have little say. You're picking at the wrong bone. It just doesn't make sense for the lower ranked teams to decide that they don't want to play during this gsl season.
As another guy said it's all about political positioning. They have their reasons.
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On August 23 2012 17:05 rauk wrote:
not that surprising, half the teams banned their players from participating in gom classic 3. it's a competing league and OGN is owned by kespa. having superstars like jd flash etc participate in GSL will only legitimize it.
The fact that they brought in GOM players to OSL, which will get them more viewers as a big GOM vs Kespa tournament and then refuse to help out GOM in the same way with their league is what makes this move so disgusting and a stab in the back to GOM. Same old Kespa, sigh.
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And this is the problem that occurs when Blizzard licenses to two different competing companies.
The existing model, GSL, is clearly the premier league of players. However, Kespa has a great existing viewership. I am not surprised that for now Kespa is trying to go it alone.
I personally, will continue to watch the GSL and Gomtv for several reasons.
1) Gomtv draws better players
2) Gomtv has better casters, and that speak english.
3) Gomtv is the existing, tried, tested, and true Starcraft2 premier tournament.
4) Gomtv's model allows for flexibility to the players and teams which want to enter and play to play in other series' and tournaments. The fact that we see these players come back to GSL shows that it is the highest standard of play for SC2.
Now, also, I know MLG and Kespa had a deal going. Funny how that now, after the fact, Kespa isn't sending its players to MLG this weekend. I guess it was more "scheduling" conflicts.
It's obvious that Kespa just wants to continue in it's own way, and will take advantage of other series to promote it's own, but won't return the favour. Kespa can have the KR market to a degree. And it can stay there as far I am concerned.
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On August 24 2012 00:20 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:14 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 00:10 Salazarz wrote:On August 24 2012 00:04 niteReloaded wrote:
If Kespa continues with this policy, and let's say even forbids its players participation in international tournaments, I can see a massive exodus from Kespa teams to international teams. Maybe law cases, terminations of contracts etc. There should be a measure on how much you can limit someone's freedom. Yeah, these guys who practiced with their teams together for years and received salaries that are higher than tournament winnings for all but the very few top SC2 pros are surely going to jump ship at the first opportunity. Where the hell are you getting this kind of nonsense from, really. Didn't hiya say he got like 35k a year or something on his stream? That doesn't seem like a very large amount of money to be honest. 35k a year is quite a lot of money in Korea. On top of that, they do still get a shot at tournament prizes + PL performance bonuses etc. Considering Hiya during his best days was at most the second best player of a second echelon team, that's not terrible at all; most importantly, he has the confidence he will continue getting that salary. Also, these teams have way more coaching and practice support than any of the GSL or foreign teams. Just check the winners interviews of any GSL player - they might mention 1-2 teammates for 'helping them practice', or sometimes none at all. On the other hand the KeSPA teams it's all about the internal practice, which is obviously much more efficient.
Hiyas 35k a year was including the bonuses if i remember correctly, and the amount of practice partners I'd expect to absolutely be more if its uncertain who they're going to be up against.
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On August 24 2012 00:20 Cybel wrote:
shot question: have the Kespa teams hired any new player in the last 2 years?
I don't know if it covers new sc2 players, but there is a player signing embargo between the two organization. Not entirely sure of the details though, I can't remember off the top of my head.
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On August 24 2012 00:20 Cybel wrote:
shot question: have the Kespa teams hired any new player in the last 2 years?
Sun, Wooki, Baby were all around 2010-ish?
There weren't many serious amateur Brood War up-and-comers during the last two years for obvious reasons, but with SC2 I don't think finding new blood will be an issue.
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On August 24 2012 00:22 Grimmyman123 wrote:
And this is the problem that occurs when Blizzard licenses to two different competing companies.
The existing model, GSL, is clearly the premier league of players. However, Kespa has a great existing viewership. I am not surprised that for now Kespa is trying to go it alone.
I personally, will continue to watch the GSL and Gomtv for several reasons.
1) Gomtv draws better players
2) Gomtv has better casters, and that speak english.
3) Gomtv is the existing, tried, tested, and true Starcraft2 premier tournament.
4) Gomtv's model allows for flexibility to the players and teams which want to enter and play to play in other series' and tournaments. The fact that we see these players come back to GSL shows that it is the highest standard of play for SC2.
Now, also, I know MLG and Kespa had a deal going. Funny how that now, after the fact, Kespa isn't sending its players to MLG this weekend. I guess it was more "scheduling" conflicts.
Funny how you post something like that without even bothering to notice that KeSPA teams have the deciding match of Proleague on the same date as MLG, which was scheduled a long time ago.
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On August 24 2012 00:21 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 17:05 rauk wrote:
not that surprising, half the teams banned their players from participating in gom classic 3. it's a competing league and OGN is owned by kespa. having superstars like jd flash etc participate in GSL will only legitimize it. The fact that they brought in GOM players to OSL, which will get them more viewers as a big GOM vs Kespa tournament and then refuse to help out GOM in the same way with their league is what makes this move so disgusting. Same old Kespa, sigh.
true that, i think they may change their mind after talking to blizzard
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On August 24 2012 00:23 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:22 Grimmyman123 wrote:
And this is the problem that occurs when Blizzard licenses to two different competing companies.
The existing model, GSL, is clearly the premier league of players. However, Kespa has a great existing viewership. I am not surprised that for now Kespa is trying to go it alone.
I personally, will continue to watch the GSL and Gomtv for several reasons.
1) Gomtv draws better players
2) Gomtv has better casters, and that speak english.
3) Gomtv is the existing, tried, tested, and true Starcraft2 premier tournament.
4) Gomtv's model allows for flexibility to the players and teams which want to enter and play to play in other series' and tournaments. The fact that we see these players come back to GSL shows that it is the highest standard of play for SC2.
Now, also, I know MLG and Kespa had a deal going. Funny how that now, after the fact, Kespa isn't sending its players to MLG this weekend. I guess it was more "scheduling" conflicts. Funny how you post something like that without even bothering to notice that KeSPA teams have the deciding match of Proleague on the same date as MLG, which was scheduled a long time ago.
Funny how Kespa didn't send ANY players to MLG.
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On August 23 2012 23:53 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:45 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:28 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:23 StarStruck wrote:As if Blizzard should have a say on the matter. Here's the thing they need to understand and guys like MLG. KeSPA sticks to it's own schedule. They were up in arms about the GOM Classic prior as they thought it was too much with the PL/OSL/MSL. On August 23 2012 23:22 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 23:08 bo1b wrote:
It's actually mind boggling how far people are going to defend kespa as some sort of good guy, anyone remember leta getting dq'd?
Having said that people jumping the gun before any real information has been released is equally questionable. Leta broke the rules, so Leta got DQ'd. It was a dumbass rule indeed but how was that worse than GSL taking Nani's Code S spot or backing out of their MLG obligations by changing the wording? Yeah, let's just nitpick at each individual thing we don't agree with. -_- On August 23 2012 23:22 TheButtonmen wrote:
First MLG, now GSL.
I won't be watching OGN, I've got no desire to support Kespa if they are going back to their old isolastionic ways and there is plenty of competition for my eye balls. They want to continue being the Premiere League in Korea. They have the network and they want to push their brand. Considering everyone needs Blizard approval to run SC2 tournaments, Blizard kinda has a lot of weight, to throw in the metter. Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. Blizzard is counting on KeSPA to give the game more exposure in Korea. Their options are limited whereas KeSPA. Well, they have plenty of options. Blisard can deny them the right to run any tournament. Kespa can still do whatever BS they want, just without any broadcasting and such, and hence, zero profits. On August 23 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:28 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:23 StarStruck wrote:As if Blizzard should have a say on the matter. Here's the thing they need to understand and guys like MLG. KeSPA sticks to it's own schedule. They were up in arms about the GOM Classic prior as they thought it was too much with the PL/OSL/MSL. On August 23 2012 23:22 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 23:08 bo1b wrote:
It's actually mind boggling how far people are going to defend kespa as some sort of good guy, anyone remember leta getting dq'd?
Having said that people jumping the gun before any real information has been released is equally questionable. Leta broke the rules, so Leta got DQ'd. It was a dumbass rule indeed but how was that worse than GSL taking Nani's Code S spot or backing out of their MLG obligations by changing the wording? Yeah, let's just nitpick at each individual thing we don't agree with. -_- On August 23 2012 23:22 TheButtonmen wrote:
First MLG, now GSL.
I won't be watching OGN, I've got no desire to support Kespa if they are going back to their old isolastionic ways and there is plenty of competition for my eye balls. They want to continue being the Premiere League in Korea. They have the network and they want to push their brand. Considering everyone needs Blizard approval to run SC2 tournaments, Blizard kinda has a lot of weight, to throw in the metter. Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. they dont have to argue anything, if they press a button KeSPA cant paly SC2 thats a fact Not just that. Considering Korea is, supposed to take US IP pretty seriously, the entire idea that goverment institution can infringe copyright just like that, wwould do terrible damage to Korea`s international relations. I'm sorry but you guys don't have a clue on what you're talking about and missed what I said entirely. KeSPA doesn't need Blizzard. Even if Blizzard could stop them from playing SC2. KeSPA would just bank on their other properties and give SC2 the backdoor. As we've seen before Blizzard believes they need KeSPA to pick up the slack in the Korean market. This is no different from the IP rights from before. In summary, even if Blizzard won the argument and no SC2 for KeSPA they would push their other tournaments and SC2 would hit another big wall in Korea. Not good for business. That's not to say the big guns retire/withdraw from their KeSPA teams and join other teams in SC2. The thing is you still lose exposure and the other developers along with KeSPA would do everything in their power to block SC2.
It's not good for business but at some point it becomes a "less shitty" solution than letting KeSPA running around like a crazed person. Before SC2 was competing with BW. Without BW, SC2 scene in Korea could possibly develop better without KeSPA, especially if their players leave the restrictive system. Don't think it's close to that point yet, but it might in 6 months.
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On August 24 2012 00:24 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:21 darkest44 wrote:On August 23 2012 17:05 rauk wrote:
not that surprising, half the teams banned their players from participating in gom classic 3. it's a competing league and OGN is owned by kespa. having superstars like jd flash etc participate in GSL will only legitimize it. The fact that they brought in GOM players to OSL, which will get them more viewers as a big GOM vs Kespa tournament and then refuse to help out GOM in the same way with their league is what makes this move so disgusting. Same old Kespa, sigh. true that, i think they may change their mind after talking to blizzard
Like talking to Blizzard ever changed their opinion on anything. Welcome to the trenches.
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That's too bad.
I haven't watched any SC2 in quite a while, and I think KesPa players would have brought me back for a bit, even briefly.
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On August 24 2012 00:01 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:51 setzer wrote:On August 23 2012 23:41 Talin wrote:On August 23 2012 23:27 MVTaylor wrote:
@Salazarz On my phone so I can't quote, message too large and no scroll ability in reply box.
The essence though is that it isn't kespa teams limiting themselves it's kespa denying players the right to enter to strengthen leagues they have more control over, all be it with some really awful reasoning given instead. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it assumes that individual kespa players normally get to decide such things for themselves, and are suddenly being denied the right to do that. Whereas it's actually normal for the teams (and Kespa as the association of teams+broadcasters) to make such decisions, not the players. A Kespa team simply won't tell a player to go do whatever he wants and play in any league he wants. That's NEVER going to happen. In order for Kespa players to be able to play in the GSL, the team has to come to the players and say "ok, GSL is now in our schedule, here's the schedule by which we're going to work the next month" or something of the sort. I'm not saying that the Kespa's interests as a team association didn't play a role in the decision, but there are definitely more practical issues as well. The important thing to realize is that these players actually belong to the teams and the way they spend their time and what they spend it on is also organized by the teams. KeSPA internal interests have everything to do with it. The "players already have enough to do" is total shit. There's less Proleague, less OSL, no MSL. It would be in GOM's best interest to schedule in such a way that the KeSPA players' schedules aren't conflicted with anything they already do. If MC and others can travel to three different continents in two weeks then KeSPA players can devote two hours a week to play in another tournament. There's also two games to train (for 50% of the players), and a new game to transition to, AND it's the most important period of the Proleague season. While the matchdays might not conflict, the overall practice time still does. Measuring Kespa players' schedules against MC's schedule is ridiculous. They're never going to accept that kind of schedule, it's simply incompatible to how the teams function. Besides that, I'm pretty sure it will become apparent fairly soon that their practice regimen is superior and it produces and develops better players. It would be silly for them to willingly adapt to the inferior environment when it comes to structure and organization. It's much more likely to turn out the other way around. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:51 setzer wrote:
And it has already been established that players and coaches want their players to practice against GSL players as they believe they best improve doing that. This is nothing but a political decision. They can practice against GSL player outside of a tournament environment. Other than that, I wouldn't read too much into the interview statements.
The format will end soon, so maybe there is some schedule difficulties for this season, but I don't think it is anything that can't be allieved on GOM's end. Disallowing everyone to qualify is flat out ridiculous, as there are teams like KT that won't even be a part of the playoffs. Flash's last game in BW is this weekend, which doesn't conflict with GSL at all.
I'm not saying the players should start doing what MC is, just that using the so called "time restraints" excuse is flat out bullshit when the players already play so little televised games. They did this in the past with GOM to bully them out of the scene and it looks as though they are heading in that direction again.
You know what inferior environment is silly? Yes, that's right! It's the hybrid Proleague that has been going on for the last 4 months and preventing the players from being the best they could.
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On August 24 2012 00:26 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 23:53 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:45 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:28 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:23 StarStruck wrote:As if Blizzard should have a say on the matter. Here's the thing they need to understand and guys like MLG. KeSPA sticks to it's own schedule. They were up in arms about the GOM Classic prior as they thought it was too much with the PL/OSL/MSL. On August 23 2012 23:22 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 23:08 bo1b wrote:
It's actually mind boggling how far people are going to defend kespa as some sort of good guy, anyone remember leta getting dq'd?
Having said that people jumping the gun before any real information has been released is equally questionable. Leta broke the rules, so Leta got DQ'd. It was a dumbass rule indeed but how was that worse than GSL taking Nani's Code S spot or backing out of their MLG obligations by changing the wording? Yeah, let's just nitpick at each individual thing we don't agree with. -_- On August 23 2012 23:22 TheButtonmen wrote:
First MLG, now GSL.
I won't be watching OGN, I've got no desire to support Kespa if they are going back to their old isolastionic ways and there is plenty of competition for my eye balls. They want to continue being the Premiere League in Korea. They have the network and they want to push their brand. Considering everyone needs Blizard approval to run SC2 tournaments, Blizard kinda has a lot of weight, to throw in the metter. Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. Blizzard is counting on KeSPA to give the game more exposure in Korea. Their options are limited whereas KeSPA. Well, they have plenty of options. Blisard can deny them the right to run any tournament. Kespa can still do whatever BS they want, just without any broadcasting and such, and hence, zero profits. On August 23 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:28 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:23 StarStruck wrote:As if Blizzard should have a say on the matter. Here's the thing they need to understand and guys like MLG. KeSPA sticks to it's own schedule. They were up in arms about the GOM Classic prior as they thought it was too much with the PL/OSL/MSL. On August 23 2012 23:22 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 23:08 bo1b wrote:
It's actually mind boggling how far people are going to defend kespa as some sort of good guy, anyone remember leta getting dq'd?
Having said that people jumping the gun before any real information has been released is equally questionable. Leta broke the rules, so Leta got DQ'd. It was a dumbass rule indeed but how was that worse than GSL taking Nani's Code S spot or backing out of their MLG obligations by changing the wording? Yeah, let's just nitpick at each individual thing we don't agree with. -_- On August 23 2012 23:22 TheButtonmen wrote:
First MLG, now GSL.
I won't be watching OGN, I've got no desire to support Kespa if they are going back to their old isolastionic ways and there is plenty of competition for my eye balls. They want to continue being the Premiere League in Korea. They have the network and they want to push their brand. Considering everyone needs Blizard approval to run SC2 tournaments, Blizard kinda has a lot of weight, to throw in the metter. Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. they dont have to argue anything, if they press a button KeSPA cant paly SC2 thats a fact Not just that. Considering Korea is, supposed to take US IP pretty seriously, the entire idea that goverment institution can infringe copyright just like that, wwould do terrible damage to Korea`s international relations. I'm sorry but you guys don't have a clue on what you're talking about and missed what I said entirely. KeSPA doesn't need Blizzard. Even if Blizzard could stop them from playing SC2. KeSPA would just bank on their other properties and give SC2 the backdoor. As we've seen before Blizzard believes they need KeSPA to pick up the slack in the Korean market. This is no different from the IP rights from before. In summary, even if Blizzard won the argument and no SC2 for KeSPA they would push their other tournaments and SC2 would hit another big wall in Korea. Not good for business. That's not to say the big guns retire/withdraw from their KeSPA teams and join other teams in SC2. The thing is you still lose exposure and the other developers along with KeSPA would do everything in their power to block SC2. It's not good for business but at some point it becomes a "less shitty" solution than letting KeSPA running around like a crazed person. Before SC2 was competing with BW. Without BW, SC2 scene in Korea could possibly develop better without KeSPA, especially if their players leave the restrictive system. Don't think it's close to that point yet, but it might in 6 months.
There was no real competition to begin with.
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On August 24 2012 00:04 niteReloaded wrote:
If Kespa continues with this policy, and let's say even forbids its players participation in international tournaments, I can see a massive exodus from Kespa teams to international teams. Maybe law cases, terminations of contracts etc. There should be a measure on how much you can limit someone's freedom.
fuck freedom man. I got a stable, five to six digit salary, medical coverage, bandwagon of chicks shouting my name weekly, free lasik surgery, free ipad, free galaxy s3, hawaii vacation etc., and after retiring I may be offered a job at one of Korean bigass conglomerates. Sure I gotta work hard but it's worth it.
Joining international team? only to wake up realizing they have disbanded with 3 months of unpaid salary.
On topic: it's obvious which side will Blizz stick to. Fuck esport man, they want to sell cd-keys. What will serve the best for their interest? An ONLINE channel who do not even have any say on their (supposedly) teams OR a national cable tv channel with professional governed teams backed by conglomerates with celebrity superstars.
And it's not like KeSPA is backing up forever. They just withdraw this season, dont they?
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On August 24 2012 00:27 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:26 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 23:53 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:45 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:28 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:23 StarStruck wrote:As if Blizzard should have a say on the matter. Here's the thing they need to understand and guys like MLG. KeSPA sticks to it's own schedule. They were up in arms about the GOM Classic prior as they thought it was too much with the PL/OSL/MSL. On August 23 2012 23:22 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 23:08 bo1b wrote:
It's actually mind boggling how far people are going to defend kespa as some sort of good guy, anyone remember leta getting dq'd?
Having said that people jumping the gun before any real information has been released is equally questionable. Leta broke the rules, so Leta got DQ'd. It was a dumbass rule indeed but how was that worse than GSL taking Nani's Code S spot or backing out of their MLG obligations by changing the wording? Yeah, let's just nitpick at each individual thing we don't agree with. -_- On August 23 2012 23:22 TheButtonmen wrote:
First MLG, now GSL.
I won't be watching OGN, I've got no desire to support Kespa if they are going back to their old isolastionic ways and there is plenty of competition for my eye balls. They want to continue being the Premiere League in Korea. They have the network and they want to push their brand. Considering everyone needs Blizard approval to run SC2 tournaments, Blizard kinda has a lot of weight, to throw in the metter. Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. Blizzard is counting on KeSPA to give the game more exposure in Korea. Their options are limited whereas KeSPA. Well, they have plenty of options. Blisard can deny them the right to run any tournament. Kespa can still do whatever BS they want, just without any broadcasting and such, and hence, zero profits. On August 23 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 23:29 StarStruck wrote:On August 23 2012 23:28 naastyOne wrote:On August 23 2012 23:23 StarStruck wrote:As if Blizzard should have a say on the matter. Here's the thing they need to understand and guys like MLG. KeSPA sticks to it's own schedule. They were up in arms about the GOM Classic prior as they thought it was too much with the PL/OSL/MSL. On August 23 2012 23:22 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 23:08 bo1b wrote:
It's actually mind boggling how far people are going to defend kespa as some sort of good guy, anyone remember leta getting dq'd?
Having said that people jumping the gun before any real information has been released is equally questionable. Leta broke the rules, so Leta got DQ'd. It was a dumbass rule indeed but how was that worse than GSL taking Nani's Code S spot or backing out of their MLG obligations by changing the wording? Yeah, let's just nitpick at each individual thing we don't agree with. -_- On August 23 2012 23:22 TheButtonmen wrote:
First MLG, now GSL.
I won't be watching OGN, I've got no desire to support Kespa if they are going back to their old isolastionic ways and there is plenty of competition for my eye balls. They want to continue being the Premiere League in Korea. They have the network and they want to push their brand. Considering everyone needs Blizard approval to run SC2 tournaments, Blizard kinda has a lot of weight, to throw in the metter. Yeah good luck on that. You've already seen what happened when Blizzard tried to argue the IP rights. they dont have to argue anything, if they press a button KeSPA cant paly SC2 thats a fact Not just that. Considering Korea is, supposed to take US IP pretty seriously, the entire idea that goverment institution can infringe copyright just like that, wwould do terrible damage to Korea`s international relations. I'm sorry but you guys don't have a clue on what you're talking about and missed what I said entirely. KeSPA doesn't need Blizzard. Even if Blizzard could stop them from playing SC2. KeSPA would just bank on their other properties and give SC2 the backdoor. As we've seen before Blizzard believes they need KeSPA to pick up the slack in the Korean market. This is no different from the IP rights from before. In summary, even if Blizzard won the argument and no SC2 for KeSPA they would push their other tournaments and SC2 would hit another big wall in Korea. Not good for business. That's not to say the big guns retire/withdraw from their KeSPA teams and join other teams in SC2. The thing is you still lose exposure and the other developers along with KeSPA would do everything in their power to block SC2. It's not good for business but at some point it becomes a "less shitty" solution than letting KeSPA running around like a crazed person. Before SC2 was competing with BW. Without BW, SC2 scene in Korea could possibly develop better without KeSPA, especially if their players leave the restrictive system. Don't think it's close to that point yet, but it might in 6 months. There was no real competition to begin with.
So you think everyone who was loyal to BW would choose KeSPA LOL over Gom SC2?
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