No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 42

SarcasmMonster

3136 Posts

August 23 2012 15:31 GMT

#821

On August 24 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote:
That's too bad.

I haven't watched any SC2 in quite a while, and I think KesPa players would have brought me back for a bit, even briefly.

It's not like Kespa players aren't going to play Sc2 game... -_- ... just not at the GSL

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

August 23 2012 15:31 GMT

#822

On August 24 2012 00:27 setzer wrote:

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On August 24 2012 00:01 Talin wrote:

On August 23 2012 23:51 setzer wrote:

On August 23 2012 23:41 Talin wrote:

On August 23 2012 23:27 MVTaylor wrote:
@Salazarz On my phone so I can't quote, message too large and no scroll ability in reply box.

The essence though is that it isn't kespa teams limiting themselves it's kespa denying players the right to enter to strengthen leagues they have more control over, all be it with some really awful reasoning given instead.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it assumes that individual kespa players normally get to decide such things for themselves, and are suddenly being denied the right to do that. Whereas it's actually normal for the teams (and Kespa as the association of teams+broadcasters) to make such decisions, not the players.

A Kespa team simply won't tell a player to go do whatever he wants and play in any league he wants. That's NEVER going to happen. In order for Kespa players to be able to play in the GSL, the team has to come to the players and say "ok, GSL is now in our schedule, here's the schedule by which we're going to work the next month" or something of the sort.

I'm not saying that the Kespa's interests as a team association didn't play a role in the decision, but there are definitely more practical issues as well. The important thing to realize is that these players actually belong to the teams and the way they spend their time and what they spend it on is also organized by the teams.

KeSPA internal interests have everything to do with it. The "players already have enough to do" is total shit. There's less Proleague, less OSL, no MSL. It would be in GOM's best interest to schedule in such a way that the KeSPA players' schedules aren't conflicted with anything they already do. If MC and others can travel to three different continents in two weeks then KeSPA players can devote two hours a week to play in another tournament.

There's also two games to train (for 50% of the players), and a new game to transition to, AND it's the most important period of the Proleague season. While the matchdays might not conflict, the overall practice time still does.

Measuring Kespa players' schedules against MC's schedule is ridiculous. They're never going to accept that kind of schedule, it's simply incompatible to how the teams function. Besides that, I'm pretty sure it will become apparent fairly soon that their practice regimen is superior and it produces and develops better players.

It would be silly for them to willingly adapt to the inferior environment when it comes to structure and organization. It's much more likely to turn out the other way around.

On August 23 2012 23:51 setzer wrote:
And it has already been established that players and coaches want their players to practice against GSL players as they believe they best improve doing that. This is nothing but a political decision.

They can practice against GSL player outside of a tournament environment. Other than that, I wouldn't read too much into the interview statements.

The format will end soon, so maybe there is some schedule difficulties for this season, but I don't think it is anything that can't be allieved on GOM's end. Disallowing everyone to qualify is flat out ridiculous, as there are teams like KT that won't even be a part of the playoffs. Flash's last game in BW is this weekend, which doesn't conflict with GSL at all.

I'm not saying the players should start doing what MC is, just that using the so called "time restraints" excuse is flat out bullshit when the players already play so little televised games. They did this in the past with GOM to bully them out of the scene and it looks as though they are heading in that direction again.

You know what inferior environment is silly? Yes, that's right! It's the hybrid Proleague that has been going on for the last 4 months and preventing the players from being the best they could.

I agree that was retarded, but it is what it is and we have to see it to the end now.

Like I said, I don't think this decision was terminal for all future seasons as well. But Code A qualifiers are fairly soon(ish), and it's just a lot simpler for everyone to dodge GSL for one more season instead of going into it half-assed.

Also there's been a few posts in the middle of this thread about Kespa announcing something big soon, so if that's actually true it might be related to the decision as well.

ragz_gt

9172 Posts

August 23 2012 15:32 GMT

#823

On August 24 2012 00:28 Arceus wrote:

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fuck freedom man. I got a stable, five to six digit salary, medical coverage, bandwagon of chicks shouting my name weekly, free lasik surgery, free ipad, free galaxy s3, hawaii vacation etc., and after retiring I may be offered a job at one of Korean bigass conglomerates. Sure I gotta work hard but it's worth it.
Joining international team? only to wake up realizing they have disbanded with 3 months of unpaid salary.

On topic: it's obvious which side will Blizz stick to. Fuck esport man, they want to sell cd-keys. What will serve the best for their interest? An ONLINE channel who do not even have any say on their (supposedly) teams OR a national cable tv channel with professional governed teams backed by conglomerates with celebrity superstars.

And it's not like KeSPA is backing up forever. They just withdraw this season, dont they?

If you know KeSPA you know the "this season" is their code word for "til hell freeze over".

StarStruck

25339 Posts

August 23 2012 15:32 GMT

#824

As I mentioned before many times already. The lead organizers (IEMs, NASLs, IPLs, GOM, KeSPA, MLGs) really do have to come together at the end of their seasons and work together to create a real pro circuit where each organizer plays host.

It would have to be a long-term deal as well. Make policy standard, etc. etc. etc.

It would be a very long process but in order for each party to truly benefit something like that would have to be arranged instead of all this bush league crap.

Get rid of it. Pro Circuit like the ATP.

That's what I would like to see and it all starts with a summit between the pro teams and all the big tournament organizers.

All the majors could use a makeover. A change would be nice.

One can only dream. If you want legitimacy in the sport something like this is necessary.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

August 23 2012 15:32 GMT

#825

Beyond unsurprised, hopefully Blizzard says something with substance.

sam05396

United States783 Posts

August 23 2012 15:33 GMT

#826

On August 24 2012 00:26 StarStruck wrote:

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Like talking to Blizzard ever changed their opinion on anything. Welcome to the trenches.

im sure blizzard can pull some threats when they agreed to let kespa use sc2

Weirdkid

Singapore2431 Posts

August 23 2012 15:35 GMT

#827

On August 24 2012 00:12 StarStruck wrote:

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See this is what you aren't getting.

It was the team's decision. KeSPA are the teams.

It's the players who have little say.

You're picking at the wrong bone.

I'm not quite getting this Kespa are the teams / The teams are Kespa thing. Any links that I can take a look at it to better understand the situation?

Looking at the Kespa website, it just looks to me like an organisation that governs the whole eSports scene in Korea, headed by a president and other people. Sure, the teams are part of in this organisation, but I don't get how that means that "Kespa are the teams". To claim that, it either means that the bosses of the Starcraft teams are in the higher echelons of the organisation, or that Kespa only consists of these starcraft 2 teams.

Or maybe my English is just failing

Or maybe we're talking about different Kespas. I'm just kinda lost haha.

Please be gentle

I only started at SC2.

Cornstarched

Canada74 Posts

August 23 2012 15:35 GMT

#828

guys no big deal, Just boycott the season untill kespa players play. WHO CARES if their not ready, the marketing and practice and experience can only help them get better faster. Korea is strange, much respect for them, but they have A LOT to learn about the rest of the world.

Boycott gsl this season/ watch NASL/IGN/ and watch the amature pro leauges. Show gsl they arnt they best anymore, they dont have the best players, and its really boring to watchg in 240p. Make it 360p for free. Its actully FREE to do that on twitch via xsplit...herp derp

Moosegills

United States558 Posts

August 23 2012 15:37 GMT

#829

This sucks hard.

sigh to the max

ragz_gt

9172 Posts

August 23 2012 15:38 GMT

#830

On August 24 2012 00:35 Cornstarched wrote:
guys no big deal, Just boycott the season untill kespa players play. WHO CARES if their not ready, the marketing and practice and experience can only help them get better faster. Korea is strange, much respect for them, but they have A LOT to learn about the rest of the world.

Boycott gsl this season/ watch NASL/IGN/ and watch the amature pro leauges. Show gsl they arnt they best anymore, they dont have the best players, and its really boring to watchg in 240p. Make it 360p for free. Its actully FREE to do that on twitch via xsplit...herp derp

Why you boycott GSL when they are the victim? Huh?

Chexx

Korea (South)11232 Posts

August 23 2012 15:38 GMT

#831

why should i boycott gsl? If gsl allows the kespa players in their league?

ImNightmare

1575 Posts

August 23 2012 15:39 GMT

#832

Are we supposed to be suprised? Like this is Kespa we are talking about. They fucked gom in BW, of course they will fuck them in sc2.

darkest44

United States1009 Posts

August 23 2012 15:41 GMT

#833

What in the actual fuck? Boycott GOM for getting screwed over by Kespa?

howLiN

Portugal1676 Posts

August 23 2012 15:43 GMT

#834

I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

August 23 2012 15:44 GMT

#835

On August 24 2012 00:38 ragz_gt wrote:

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Why you boycott GSL when they are the victim? Huh?

Dunno, maybe he was referring to the OSL.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

August 23 2012 15:47 GMT

#836

On August 24 2012 00:35 Weirdkid wrote:

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Or maybe we're talking about different Kespas. I'm just kinda lost haha.

Please be gentle

I only started at SC2.

The KeSPA website leaves something to be desired.

Each team has a sponsor on the KeSPA board. They set policy for the games they host tournaments/leagues for. As far as I know, there is no player union for any established title.

It's not easy setting up a union for the players and I'm sure KeSPA would do everything in their power to stop such a thing materalizing because they do like flaunting their power and influence. It's also pretty easy to take advantage of little boys, but the good news is a lot of these boys are turning into men. We're well beyond the first generation of pro gamer athletes.

I'm sure the players and their parents will say enough is enough soon.

Not only do we have to intertwine the leagues together, but we have to do this for the players as well.

ImNightmare

1575 Posts

August 23 2012 15:48 GMT

#837

On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM.

Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell.

Gosi

Sweden9072 Posts

August 23 2012 15:48 GMT

#838

On August 24 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote:
That's too bad.

I haven't watched any SC2 in quite a while, and I think KesPa players would have brought me back for a bit, even briefly.

Why don't you watch OSL then?

Taku

Canada2036 Posts

August 23 2012 15:49 GMT

#839

I think the only thing worse than Kespa doing this would be Blizzard interfering, they clearly have a track record of not knowing what they're doing when it comes to these things...

CrazyCow

United States308 Posts

August 23 2012 15:50 GMT

#840

I will continue to watch GSL exclusively, just like I always have. Best eSports show in the world.

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