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On August 24 2012 00:57 Rustug wrote:
I have a question,
Is KeSPA the commercial power behind the Teams or do KeSPA Teams acquire their own sponsors?
Kespa is the sponsors, or at least they are representatives that try to keep sponsors happy.
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On August 24 2012 00:55 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:39 ImNightmare wrote:
Are we supposed to be suprised? Like this is Kespa we are talking about. They fucked gom in BW, of course they will fuck them in sc2. Actually yes. There were so many people that trusted Kespa in their MLG partnership and when they announced they will give out programer licenses to GSL players. I doubted them and my post were critized at that time ... its scary how quickly people put back trust in Kespa. You have to put your excitement and hopes aside for some moments, and think clearly.
I dislike the concept of pro-gaming licenses, had I known KeSPA was offering them to GSL players I'd been even more suspicious of KeSPA than I already was. I want anyone who thinks he has got a shot to be able to try to qualify for tournaments.
Anyhow, I wonder how the Samsung international would react if customer's started complaining about how they ruin esports in Korea 
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On August 24 2012 00:52 leveller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:35 Weirdkid wrote:On August 24 2012 00:12 StarStruck wrote:On August 24 2012 00:11 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 00:05 Elroi wrote:
what you guys dont understand is that PL>all for these players/teams. if they went to all the random tournaments they wouldn't be able to play on such a high level. After all the coaches and players interviewed expressed a wish for players to particpate in the qualifiers, this is still a shitty decision. There is absolutely no reason that t8 decides not to go to the qualifiers because they're practicing for the spl, but ultimately that should be the teams decision. See this is what you aren't getting. It was the team's decision. KeSPA are the teams. It's the players who have little say. You're picking at the wrong bone. I'm not quite getting this Kespa are the teams / The teams are Kespa thing. Any links that I can take a look at it to better understand the situation? Looking at the Kespa website, it just looks to me like an organisation that governs the whole eSports scene in Korea, headed by a president and other people. Sure, the teams are part of in this organisation, but I don't get how that means that "Kespa are the teams". To claim that, it either means that the bosses of the Starcraft teams are in the higher echelons of the organisation, or that Kespa only consists of these starcraft 2 teams. Or maybe my English is just failing  Or maybe we're talking about different Kespas. I'm just kinda lost haha. Please be gentle  I only started at SC2. its not just an organisation that governs esports, within kespa is represented all the big sponsors, samsung, korean telecom etc. Those companies fund the teams and support them for exposure, pays players salaries etc. they are kespa, they are the teams.
Thank you to you and Starstruck for answering the question. Kinda understand better now haha
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Let the players/teams pick what they want to play in.
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On August 24 2012 01:06 paddyz wrote:
Let the players/teams pick what they want to play in.
The teams did but according to foreigners they chose wrong, so now Blizzard should decide for them
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"Our players might not completely decimate everyone in the competition, let's make everyone wait and protect our image until we know they'll make us look good."
Stay classy Kespa.
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On August 24 2012 00:51 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Implying that allowing a league to run for 3 seasons and not stopping any teams from participating except those that chose not to themselves is "fucking gom hard"
Actually, at least the 4th season pullout was organized with plenty of Kespa involvement. Of course, Kespa will never admit to this officially.
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On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM.
Uh what? They don't want their players competing against GSL players yet.. but they made their entire next OSL based around GOM vs Kespa....? They just want the monopoly on the big viewership surge that a premiere GOM vs Kespa league will bring, and now they got it, because they took GOM players for OSL and then said "haha we got your players now you can't have ours for GSL".
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On August 24 2012 01:08 Blueblister wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:51 floor exercise wrote:On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Implying that allowing a league to run for 3 seasons and not stopping any teams from participating except those that chose not to themselves is "fucking gom hard" Actually, at least the 4th season pullout was organized with plenty of Kespa involvement. Of course, Kespa will never admit to this officially.
But you know this... because you were what, in the fucking room when it happened??
Schedule was already tight with OSL/MSL/PL so far more logical explanation is just no time.
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If Kespa wants to practice more it is fine.
Most of their players still have a way to go.
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On August 24 2012 01:08 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Uh what? They don't want their players competing against GSL players yet.. but they made their entire next OSL based around GOM vs Kespa....? They just want the monopoly on the big viewership surge that a premiere GOM vs Kespa league will bring, and now they got it, because they took GOM players for OSL and then said "haha we got your players now you can't have ours for GSL".
They didn't take GOM players, they only allowed them to play. -_-
They would be taking GOM players if they didn't sign the silly trade embargo, and let the teams to sign top GSL players. It would be as easy as taking candy from a baby.
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On August 24 2012 01:04 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:57 Rustug wrote:
I have a question,
Is KeSPA the commercial power behind the Teams or do KeSPA Teams acquire their own sponsors? KeSPA as a whole are the sponsors.
I was guessing as much.
Thanks for the reply.
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On August 24 2012 00:55 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports...
Get your facts straight, OGN/MBC was the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did.
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On August 24 2012 01:12 Blueblister wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:55 Condor Hero wrote:On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports... Get your facts straight, OGN/MBC was the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did.
Who both had seats on the Kespa board of directors
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On August 24 2012 01:12 Blueblister wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:55 Condor Hero wrote:On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports... Get your facts straight, OGN/MBC was the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did.
He actually has his facts straight, get yours straight before you randomly challenge someone. -_-
OGN/MBC are/were part of Kespa.
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On August 24 2012 01:10 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 01:08 Blueblister wrote:On August 24 2012 00:51 floor exercise wrote:On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Implying that allowing a league to run for 3 seasons and not stopping any teams from participating except those that chose not to themselves is "fucking gom hard" Actually, at least the 4th season pullout was organized with plenty of Kespa involvement. Of course, Kespa will never admit to this officially. But you know this... because you were what, in the fucking room when it happened?? Schedule was already tight with OSL/MSL/PL so far more logical explanation is just no time.
Not every player has to participate in OSL/MSL and GOM. In fact, I am pretty sure that is impossible, OSL/MSL/GOM do not have enough slots to support every progamer in Korea. Just let the players themselves decide in which league they want to run.
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On August 24 2012 01:12 Blueblister wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:55 Condor Hero wrote:On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports... Get your facts straight, OGN/MBC was the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did.
But really, where is the hero that sc2 needs but kespa don't deserve?
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I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway.
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On August 24 2012 01:03 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 00:59 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:55 Condor Hero wrote:On August 24 2012 00:48 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 00:43 howLiN wrote:
I actually think this is either because of scheduling problems between OSL/Proleague and GSL, or because KeSPA thinks it wouldn't be beneficial to have their players competing against GSL players yet because of their lack of experience with the game. I don't think that they want to kill GOM or create a monopoly at all, after starting to transform Proleague into a SC2 league, enforcing a year-long lock on trades along with GOM (meaning that they both want to protect their players and protect GOM teams) and having an OSL with players from KeSPA and GOM. Read BW, Kespa FUCK gom hard the last time with BW. It was actually a chance for BW to be revived since there were english casters and GOM was reaching out to foreigners, but noooo Kespa had to fuck that because its either them or none. Fucking hate those assholes, I swear they are one of the reasons why BW fell. Kespa's the whole reason BW lasted as long as it did, back when Blizzard didn't give a fuck about esports... You focus on the rise, but you didn't focus on the fall. I agree they were instrumental in the popularity of BW but Gom was a chance for BW to revive. Yet Kespa wanting to be the dominant market decide to destroy that chance. . Kespa even slam Nada and july when they played in gom. Players were complaining that they didn't get enough time to practice for 3 individual leagues and Proleague, you see that shit in SC2 too. That's the reason MC slumped so hard last year cuz no time for practice. Shitty leagues go under, that's capitalism. How can people be crying for both freedom of movement and not understand how business works?
You mean shitty league like hybrid SPL ?
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On August 24 2012 01:17 latan wrote:
I fail to see why this is a big deal, seems more like a negative PR move against kespa.
If some kespa players went through the qualifiers the chances they would qualify for code A are minimal anyway.
I guess you didn't watch WCS? Its frightening how much Kespa players have improved. Even Hero said in his interview that GSL players didnt predict they (BW players, fuck saying Kespa players) will catch up so fast.
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