EPTWithout teams and corporations like that, eSports would not survive. It wouldn't even have a chance. Whether or not you like it, everything in this world revolves around a currency of some sort.
Stephano leaving Millenium, [possibly] to EG - Page 80
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DionysusZerg
United States9 Posts
Without teams and corporations like that, eSports would not survive. It wouldn't even have a chance. Whether or not you like it, everything in this world revolves around a currency of some sort. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:59 DionysusZerg wrote: I really cannot comprehend all the hatred towards teams and corporations that have sponsors and are about making money. It's really, really simple: Without teams and corporations like that, eSports would not survive. It wouldn't even have a chance. Whether or not you like it, everything in this world revolves around a currency of some sort. They do it tastelessly (hurrr) and without class. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 23 2012 08:02 SupLilSon wrote: I don't know how you can call it anything but hate. You pretty much described the actions of every SC2 team and player yet only find those identical actions wrong in the case of EG. No, just no. It's not about the nature of those actions, it's about the sheer amount and intensity. While with other teams it can be mildly irritating, they stay quiet most of the time and don't get (or seek) as much attention. EG has - intentionally or not - built their whole image on the way they do business and marketing, and that kind of image is known to carry a lot of inherent animosity. It's dumb to try to present it as something irrational that specifically targets EG. They just happen to be the ones that tick all the right (wrong) boxes. Other teams occasionally tick them too, sure, but not as many and not as regularly to trigger the same kind of reaction. Just get used to it instead of pointlessly rehashing a discussion in which everything has been said on the first 10 pages (or last year). On August 23 2012 09:59 DionysusZerg wrote: I really cannot comprehend all the hatred towards teams and corporations that have sponsors and are about making money. People not being able to comprehend this is the actual problem. And I don't mean only in esports. | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
Also, whenever EG picks up strong players like Thorzain and PuMa, they just don't deliver the results that the foreign fans have anticipated. Basically, EG is making a lot of money. Good for them! But if you are a fan, you aren't interested in the business model of the sport. You want to see good games and see your favorite players/teams win it! Also, about InControl, he's a great personality (very funny and well-mannered in games), but his ego is way off the roof. He is a mediocre player but acts like he knows everything. Kinda rubs me the wrong way. | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
On August 23 2012 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm well aware that educational systems in different countries are different than that of the United States's, but I still expected there to be some standards, and so that's why I was merely asking what his progress was when it came to medical school. When you say you can actually just snap your fingers and get into a European medical school, that implies that they're jokes comparatively, and while I have little knowledge about how hard they are to get into, I would find such a thing to be quite sad if that were truly the case. I´m no expert on the french educational system either, but I think it is somewhat similar to the german system. Basicly after the first 4 years of school, you get evaluated how talented/smart you are in general at a pretty young age around 10. You then continue school in any of the 3 possible secondary schools. The lowest education level is another 5 years, mid is 6 I think and the highest level is another 8 years. If you finished the highest level school you are eligible to go to university. And in europe you can just start studying medicine or law or literatue w/e. I think this is the big difference to the US, where you have to study sth else and then go to law/med school right ? Because of the big demand of people, who wanna become doctors, there are different systems to deal with that. In Germany for example you either have to wait several years to start studying or have good grades to go study med school. In France I think as the other poster said, they just make the first 1-2 years really hard, so that 90% falls out. | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On August 23 2012 08:49 Kenpark wrote: These questions come up every day in a thread about Stephano. In a lot of EU countries you actually just snap your finger and you get into medical school or law school. You know there is a world outside of the US with different education systems etc. /OT Well for every new higher level of education you need to have some credentials to see if you are up to the task. Lot of european countries have the bachelor/master system. You won't be applying to a masters degree if you have a low quality high school credential. And even then you need to fullfill your bachelor degree. Medical school is university-masters degree. Logical way would be to do high school (advanced level) -> bachelor (premaster), master -> doctors exam before you can even start calling yourself an MD. And yes, if you have showed promise in highschool you can begin your premaster (bachelor) in a lot of european countries at a medical university, But,completing it is a whole different story. I don't think western europe and the US differ a lot in their curriculum and level of studies @ the master level. For some courses/educations I can imagine, but not exact studies like medicine, math, physics etc. For most you need to complete your MD/Bar exam, to the extent of my knowledge this applies in Great-Britain, Netherlands, Belgium. In Germany Medical school is a numerus clausus, only a certain number can apply and you'll have to proof you are up to the task. Better grades etc->more certainty you'll get in. For france check this tiny article: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/11/training-doctor-france-differs-united-states.html Not trying to start a discussion about education, but just a little more insight. Could expand everything but I think this will suffice  ./OT | ||
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a3den
704 Posts
On August 23 2012 10:10 Kenpark wrote: I´m no expert on the french educational system either, but I think it is somewhat similar to the german system. Basicly after the first 4 years of school, you get evaluated how talented/smart you are in general at a pretty young age around 10. You then continue school in any of the 3 possible secondary schools. The lowest education level is another 5 years, mid is 6 I think and the highest level is another 8 years. If you finished the highest level school you are eligible to go to university. And in europe you can just start studying medicine or law or literatue w/e. I think this is the big difference to the US, where you have to study sth else and then go to law/med school right ? Because of the big demand of people, who wanna become doctors, there are different systems to deal with that. In Germany for example you either have to wait several years to start studying or have good grades to go study med school. In France I think as the other poster said, they just make the first 1-2 years really hard, so that 90% falls out. Basically at the end of the first year of med, it's pretty much an exam contest between all the students and the top 10% or so can advance. Due to the number of students, it's very hard to advance on your first try (because 50% of students already have tried a first time) and you basically can't try more than twice without a derogation (uni won't register you further). Getting private courses with a tutor in order to have more chances to advance is a big thing during the first two years. After that it gets a little bit easier in terms of competitiveness depending on the med speciality you choose. | ||
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CaptainSlow
Malaysia164 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 23 2012 10:04 Talin wrote: While with other teams it can be mildly irritating, they stay quiet most of the time and don't get (or seek) as much attention. As far as I can tell, no EG player or manager has commented on this situation without being directly asked. As far as I can tell, none of them have confirmed that he's joining and most urge caution. | ||
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Audacitysc2
United States8 Posts
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SeraKuDA
Canada343 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
On August 23 2012 10:05 hansonslee wrote: A lot of people like I don't like EG anymore is because of our disappointment with the recent performance. Players like Idra and HuK were world class players and were the foreign hope against the Korean dominance. Also, whenever EG picks up strong players like Thorzain and PuMa, they just don't deliver the results that the foreign fans have anticipated. Basically, EG is making a lot of money. Good for them! But if you are a fan, you aren't interested in the business model of the sport. You want to see good games and see your favorite players/teams win it! Also, about InControl, he's a great personality (very funny and well-mannered in games), but his ego is way off the roof. He is a mediocre player but acts like he knows everything. Kinda rubs me the wrong way. I was gonna say that from what I've seen it seems like players usually stop doing as well when they join EG. This is all speculation, but I imagine it is a lot less pressure to do well when you are being paid highly from the start instead of needing to win extra money from placing highly at tournaments. Puma and Huk come to mind, but then again Thorzain has continued to do pretty well. Just my opinion though. Edit: Oh! And best of luck to all parties that are involved | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On August 23 2012 10:27 iNcontroL wrote: Talin once again going after that EG hate! luckoftheirish repost here plz! Yeah i have seen this guy post in every EG thread that comes to mind and it's never anything or even slightly positive coming from him. Like he must really hate you guys Or maybe it's something like this " love always starts with a fight " xd | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 23 2012 10:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I was wondering when he'd show up. :-) BOOM.. everywhere you go he leaves though so it only acts as a detterant. I am still a huge fan of you doing the math though. Talin, get a new hobby bro! We are entering year 2 of you being traveling circus of eg hate | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 23 2012 08:03 Vanadiel wrote: Of course I does, even though i buy it before i went into SC2 that's not the point, I'll never going to buy something because of EG, which mean for example that if I ever want to buy a steelseries keyboard, I won't buy it though Incontroll/Idra/Stephano link, but through Cdiscount which support Millenium. Edit : Of course they all thanks their sponsort, and as I said it's a good think that makes esport grow, help players to leave of playing which is awesome. But not every one lick a Monster in front of the camera. It's only my opinion, but I just find that there is bounderies about how much you praise your sponsors and that some EG players over stepped them. So you hate EG because they don't take sponsorship money for granted? EG is rich because they promote their sponsors. Every other team is hurting for money, or closing down, because they aren't as good at running a business. If your "boundaries" leave every team poor and unable to pay wages that make SC2 a viable job, then the problem is with you. | ||
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tredogz
Canada170 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
I would actually prefer that to any other team right now.. Just for extra chance to wave my middle finger in Slashers general direction | ||
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