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On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
The absolute worst out of all professional teams? Come on now, let's not exaggerate that much.
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
heres the thing, sponsors aren't fickle like fans. sponsors understand that there are ups and downs.
Look at the post I responded to. Look where he says "Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies?" This is implying that EG hasn't won. Which is completely false. The New York Yankees have won 1 Championship in the past decade. Yet they are still the Yankees. They are in no danger of losing all that money. And guess what, neither is EG.
and I guess we are just ignoring Thorzain winning WCS Sweden again...
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
EG's placements in the top 10 over the past 6 months, all players part of the team. HuK: 9th 05-27-2012 Red Bull Battlegrounds, 4th 03-25-2012 MLG Winter Championship, 3rd 02-26-2012 MLG Winter Arena Puma: 3rd 02-25-2012 Assembly Winter, 2nd 03-10-2012 IEM 6 World Championship, 6th 06-10-2012 MLG Spring Championship Thorzain: 1st 07-28-2012 WCS Sweden Idra: 4th 06-10-2012 WCS USA DeMuslim: 2nd 07-01-2012 WCS UK, 2nd 08-19-2012 Samsung European Encounter JYP: 5th 03-10-2012 IEM 6 World Championship, 4th 03-19-2012 Red Bull LAN Orlando 2012, 10th03-25-2012 MLG Winter Championship
Now, I don't think you'd be able to say that they've done the worst out of all professional SC2 teams when facts are present. Also I am using your restriction of 6 months for "recent results" and I made sure to point that out. Care to talk out of your ass a bit more?
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
Say what? What have other teams done? You post no information that they are the worst team. Please list all the professional teams and what they have done please or just stop posting crap with no back-up of the statement.
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
Oops, I meant tournament success, yes I agree EG is the most successful when it comes to marketing their sponsors which other teams should definitely take a lesson or two from.
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
Oops, I meant tournament success, yes I agree EG is the most successful when it comes to marketing their sponsors which other teams should definitely take a lesson or two from.
Well to be honest with your logic all players outside of Korea can just stop playing the game and start with Pongo or something.
The only thing I really dislike about EG is their attitude. It is baffling to me as to why Incontrol always says, "well we're the Yankees of esports. We have really high expectations, which is great, but when we don't win every tournament we get a lot of flack"
Seriously? No one has high expectations for EG, it's actually the opposite.I don't think a soul was surprised that Demuslim and Puma finished last in their IEM groups. Man up and say you guys have been playing like shit. Don't act like you're fucking victims. Guess how many people think an EG player will win Raleigh? You guessed it! 0.
Incontrol, you won a showmatch against Combatex? Awesome bro. Tweet about it some more, it's going to do wonders for your practice.
Idra, complain that NA is shit every day and get stomped in the WCS North American tournament. Awesome bro.
Players like Demuslim and Machine perform poorly, but no one gives them shit because there personalities aren't fucking disgusting like Incontrol's and Idra's.
Hell, look at Jinro who retired a hero.
You guys aren't the victims. Calling Naniwa autistic when you're not even good enough to lick his boots-- classy.
Have fun getting smashed at MLG for the 10th time in a row. Though, I'll be rooting for you Thorzain (and demuslim, machine, and suppy) When you act with respect you get treated with respect.
On August 23 2012 05:46 xrapture wrote: The only thing I really dislike about EG is their attitude. It is baffling to me as to why Incontrol always says, "well we're the Yankees of esports. We have really high expectations, which is great, but when we don't win every tournament we get a lot of flack"
Seriously? No one has high expectations for EG, it's actually the opposite.I don't think a soul was surprised that Demuslim and Puma finished last in their IEM groups. Man up and say you guys have been playing like shit. Don't act like you're fucking victims. Guess how many people think an EG player will win Raleigh? You guessed it! 0.
Incontrol, you won a showmatch against Combatex? Awesome bro. Tweet about it some more, it's going to do wonders for your practice.
Idra, complain that NA is shit every day and get stomped in the WCS North American tournament. Awesome bro.
Players like Demuslim and Machine perform poorly, but no one gives them shit because there personalities aren't fucking disgusting like Incontrol's and Idra's.
Hell, look at Jinro who retired a hero.
You guys aren't the victims. Calling Naniwa autistic when you're not even good enough to lick his boots-- classy.
Have fun getting smashed at MLG for the 10th time in a row. Though, I'll be rooting for you Thorzain (and demuslim, machine, and suppy) When you act with respect you get treated with respect.
This is some EG.Fear level flame, I'm falling for you.
i hope stephano's new team is a great team and help him become/maintain as one few foreigners that hang at the top korean level. i dont like eg because of idra alone, i hope stephano's talent is used wisely.
On August 23 2012 05:46 xrapture wrote: The only thing I really dislike about EG is their attitude. It is baffling to me as to why Incontrol always says, "well we're the Yankees of esports. We have really high expectations, which is great, but when we don't win every tournament we get a lot of flack"
Seriously? No one has high expectations for EG, it's actually the opposite.I don't think a soul was surprised that Demuslim and Puma finished last in their IEM groups. Man up and say you guys have been playing like shit. Don't act like you're fucking victims. Guess how many people think an EG player will win Raleigh? You guessed it! 0.
Incontrol, you won a showmatch against Combatex? Awesome bro. Tweet about it some more, it's going to do wonders for your practice.
Idra, complain that NA is shit every day and get stomped in the WCS North American tournament. Awesome bro.
Players like Demuslim and Machine perform poorly, but no one gives them shit because there personalities aren't fucking disgusting like Incontrol's and Idra's.
Hell, look at Jinro who retired a hero.
You guys aren't the victims. Calling Naniwa autistic when you're not even good enough to lick his boots-- classy.
Have fun getting smashed at MLG for the 10th time in a row. Though, I'll be rooting for you Thorzain (and demuslim, machine, and suppy) When you act with respect you get treated with respect.
This is some EG.Fear level flame, I'm falling for you.
I am a high functioning autistic and Naniwa is also a high functioning Autistic they aren't calling him anything. I am not offended by it neither should you ,being autistic isn't a bad thing all the time.
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
heres the thing, sponsors aren't fickle like fans. sponsors understand that there are ups and downs.
Look at the post I responded to. Look where he says "Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies?" This is implying that EG hasn't won. Which is completely false. The New York Yankees have won 1 Championship in the past decade. Yet they are still the Yankees. They are in no danger of losing all that money. And guess what, neither is EG.
and I guess we are just ignoring Thorzain winning WCS Sweden again...
I think you misunderstood, or misinterpreted my post. I was really not bashing EG at all. I am more interested into how the community values playerskill and competitive viability and a likeable personality. EG runs the full spectrum in their roster but heavily focuses on the likeable personality. I'm more asking the community is it good, bad, or irrelevent that the most successful team EG (sponsorships, money, etc) focuses moreso on their players being personalities and community figures than having the absolute best players in the sport (sc2). I more than most know about EG's fandom from other genres, dating back years and years when I used to cheer EG CS1.6. After the fall of 3D they were really the only NA team that could even compete.
Having known the EG brand for what feels like a decade this is why I was very critical of them earlier on in the SC2 scene. To me, if you made it to EG, you were big time. You were a tip top player who could slay nerds at will in your arena. I didn't feel their roster represented what I thought of EG as the pinnacle of competitive gaming in NA. As time went on in SC2 it became blatantly clear that there is much more to being on EG than being a great player. I'm not even saying this is right or wrong, and clearly it works. EG is rich in the esports world.
MY personal opinion as a fan of EG since the glory days is that even half of their SC2 roster isn't worthy of the prestigious EG player tag. I try to leave my opinion out of the discussion though because I'm more interested in what I spoke of in the first post and the first half of this post.
[edit] grammar [edit] 3500 o_O [edit] I should have never made any reference to professional sports (MLB) they always suck ass when referenced to esports.
Not trying to be gross or anything but I wonder if Stephano and HuK sort of came together in friendship or ... something more? Was it really all just business? They seem pretty tight in this video.
The true reason for the move is HuK and Stephano lovers 4ever <3
Come on lets bring some love to this thread guys. It's not all so serious. <3
On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote: You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time.
Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
This is where logic falters..You are speaking of "accomplishments" that has happened months ago and a year ago. EG outside of sc2 is very successful which is why their brand is so big. But when it comes to results in the recent (past 6 months) months. EG has done the worst out all all professional sc2 teams.
heres the thing, sponsors aren't fickle like fans. sponsors understand that there are ups and downs.
Look at the post I responded to. Look where he says "Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies?" This is implying that EG hasn't won. Which is completely false. The New York Yankees have won 1 Championship in the past decade. Yet they are still the Yankees. They are in no danger of losing all that money. And guess what, neither is EG.
and I guess we are just ignoring Thorzain winning WCS Sweden again...
I think you misunderstood, or misinterpreted my post. I was really not bashing EG at all. I am more interested into how the community values playerskill and competitive viability and a likeable personality. EG runs the full spectrum in their roster but heavily focuses on the likeable personality. I'm more asking the community is it good, bad, or irrelevent that the most successful team EG (sponsorships, money, etc) focuses moreso on their players being personalities and community figures than having the absolute best players in the sport (sc2). I more than most know about EG's fandom from other genres, dating back years and years when I used to cheer EG CS1.6. After the fall of 3D they were really the only NA team that could even compete.
Having known the EG brand for what feels like a decade this is why I was very critical of them earlier on in the SC2 scene. To me, if you made it to EG, you were big time. You were a tip top player who could slay nerds at will in your arena. I didn't feel their roster represented what I thought of EG as the pinnacle of competitive gaming in NA. As time went on in SC2 it became blatantly clear that there is much more to being on EG than being a great player. I'm not even saying this is right or wrong, and clearly it works. EG is rich in the esports world.
MY personal opinion as a fan of EG since the glory days is that even half of their SC2 roster isn't worthy of the prestigious EG player tag. I try to leave my opinion out of the discussion though because I'm more interested in what I spoke of in the first post and the first half of this post.
But does EG really focus on the likeable personality over winning? Let's look at the roster. There is the carry over from BW with Incontrol, Machine, LzGamer. These 3 guys are the heart of the EG StarCraft division. Yeah, they aren't the best players. And I think this is where you point is strongest. But they've been around since BW. And they've become very important pieces to EG because of it.
Looking at the rest of the roster they added Idra when he was considered the best foreign sc2 player, DeMusliM who was establishing himself as a top Euro before his injuries, Puma who had just won NASL 1 and has gone on to win and place highly in many tournaments, Huk who was considered the best foreigner in sc2 at the time, JYP who is Code S, Thorzain who is a top foreigner, and Suppy who is a rising star. Which of those guys doesn't fit the EG picture of "slaying Nerds" and only recruited because of being a personality? None.
And now, if the rumor is true, they will be signing Stephano, once again the best foreigner in sc2 and the biggest threat to the Korean dominance in the scene. They aren't signing Stephano because of his personality. They are signing him so he can win. Same reason they signed Idra, Huk, DeMusliM, Thorzain, Puma, JYP and Suppy.
The idea that EG focuses more so on personalities isn't really a fair one. It just so happens that two of the biggest personalities in the scene, Idra and Incontrol are on EG. Both are incredibly strong are promoting the EG brand. Look at the guys they have signed since sc2 has come out. They are players who win and do well.
On August 23 2012 06:30 Mohdoo wrote: EG has a deal with Slayers Boxer becoming coach of SKT Stephano training with SKT?
i thought of kespa acquiring stephano because of "awesome salary" but there's a agreement of no player trading/acquiring, right? between federation and kespa.
EPT
Anyways, I wish him luck regardless of where he goes! 
