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On August 22 2012 15:35 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 10:34 Pokebunny wrote:On August 22 2012 03:29 matiK23 wrote:On August 22 2012 02:54 Pokebunny wrote:On August 22 2012 02:39 Unnamed wrote:
Joining EG is probably not a good idea. Players they have never improve. Maybe you will get an "awesome salary", but you will lose your skill. Do you remember Huk? He left Liquid for EG's money, and where he is now? Same with other EG players. They are bad in terms of skill. You will probably have a good chance to become a popular caster though. The amount of cluelessness and lack of logic in posts like these is astounding. It's amazing how hard people to try convince themselves that EG is the bad guy when the reality is that it's not their fault that no other teams can afford what they can. Yet somehow it's evil to offer great players salaries they are deserving of. What EG is doing is really not honorable, not matter how indirectly. Less fortunate teams cannot play SC money ball style because starcraft is not a team based game. Specialists don't really work except in team leagues but individual wins are way more prestigious than ipl tac or gstl. When a team takes all the players that produce results before joining said team, that creates a monopoly because on paper, all the good players are on one team. Thus the EG curse. I call it karma. Universe is working as it should be. No. No, no, no. That's retarded, seriously. Most progamers are working their asses off for very little pay. EG is the only one that offers players a fair full-time salary for a competitive player. Asking players to make less money just because it's more honorable or some stupid shit is retarded - we NEED players to get paid more, consistently, by more teams. EG is the only one on the right track. Ofcourse it would be ideal if all the sc2 pros would get paid more. Thats not the issue. What is problematic about this is that one team can afford to pay alot more than the rest. This is never good for a young scene like sc2. Just look at football, which is quite established as a sport to say the least. Even there many are complaining about these teams (man city, PSG etc) driving the prices through the roof. Everything isnt black and white.
The difference in football is that even though one team can pay way more than others, all teams have solid salaries that allow players to comfortably live on with no outside income. SC2 does not have that. Furthermore, it's not exactly a team sport, so "buying" players doesn't really lead to one team "dominating", because most leagues are individual anyway.
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Hope he doesn't join EG and joins SK instead... MC+Stephano would be really cool to have on one team.
Unless EG decides to participate in GSTL by itself... then I fully support this move.
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dont really get the bashing on eg, just because stephano is already one of the best players they are not allowed to get him on their team? srsly wtf?
anyways would be funny if its sk, col or fnatic which should be able to make good offers (esp. after nada left col there should be enough money. he was a legend and shouldmhave made more than enough) and eg gets the bashing once again for nothing ^^
i would like it if he gets on eg, better support the foreign scene with money for the players than giving money to one more korean guy. should be better for the overall sc2 foreign scene
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On August 23 2012 00:44 netherDrake wrote:
Hope he doesn't join EG and joins SK instead... MC+Stephano would be really cool to have on one team.
Unless EG decides to participate in GSTL by itself... then I fully support this move.
I'm all for that. It will make IM-SK even more fierce.
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Oh man I hope SK gets him (not hate on EG) but as has been said, MC and Stephano in would team would be hilarious. Then they get Flash too and that's their full roster to win every teamleague.
hmm
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On August 23 2012 00:52 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 00:44 netherDrake wrote:
Hope he doesn't join EG and joins SK instead... MC+Stephano would be really cool to have on one team.
Unless EG decides to participate in GSTL by itself... then I fully support this move. I'm all for that. It will make IM-SK even more fierce.
So if he joined that... Stephano/Seed/MC/Mvp/Nestea/LosirA/First... Pretty fucking loaded lol
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I hope that Suppy can learn lots from Stephano. I really like Suppy's stream!
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I really hope that he gets a contract that allows him to really set up a base in Korea without having to fly all over the place so he can really just practice and work on his game and get into and win a GSL... he really is good enough and being in Korea could really help his game and help him make him more versitile as a player.
The more and more I think about it the more and more things like HotS become a HUGE thing, and I'd really like Stephano to be able to play against the Kespa players that are coming through atm.. it would be really amazing, and would really help both the Korean and non Korean scene if there could be a few non Koreans competing and doing well in the Korean leagues.
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On August 23 2012 00:22 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote:
You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time. Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years.
This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually.
They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit.
However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing?
We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
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yea they will have to deliver soon,
3 new players in their rooster + the old ones are not terrible players either (besides the obv semiactive ones), the old excuse that they do good already will not hold on forever.
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I feel like EG is or already has turned into what Activision is to the public, Just pick up all the best players and milk the market. Soon its just going to be all EG tournaments. No offense to wanting the best, But where is the fun if there is no competition. I am guess Teaja will be next if he holds up like stephano is. Just waiting for that contract to come to an end. Huk fell off pretty much after he joined EG, of course change of play styles can do that for a player.
Not trying to hate, I absolutly suck at Starcraft. lol
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IdrA must be happy to get a zerg compainion
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On August 23 2012 04:16 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
IdrA must be happy to get a zerg compainion
Agreed, always wanted to see what Idra's mechanics could do if paired with a BO/meta genius like Stephano
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I think its a good thing Stephano is leaving Millenium , expanding outward from the france scene and overall taking new opportunities in his career! gl stephano 
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hope its not EG but really cant think who could afford him...Hopehe does well though!! great player, cant wait to see him at MLG!
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On August 23 2012 04:16 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
IdrA must be happy to get a zerg compainion
It's not IdrA's ZvZ that he needs work on. I think that if those two played together a lot, they'd each benefit equally from each other in terms of ZvZ.
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On August 23 2012 03:42 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 00:22 FairForever wrote:On August 23 2012 00:19 ref4 wrote:
You know money doesn't really correlate with success right?
Look at LG-IM, probably the best funded Korean pro team and I think all their players get salary, look at how many freaking champions and legends they have also at their very consistant and strong showing.
And then look at EG, the best funded foreign pro team who probably pay their players MORE than LG-IM, and look at the mediocre performances their players put up these days. Hell I think inControl and Machine should just hang up his mouse and keyboard and be a caster full time. Depends how you define success. Of all the pro teams I'd say EG has the highest probability of being around in 6 years. This 'success' dilemma is something that I think EG will ultimate have to face, eventually. They are the kings of the castle, the biggest powerhouse in esports when it comes to marketing, player relations, face time and all of the EG player support. Just check their sponsors vs. any other pro team, they are crushing the competition in this arena. EG are the shit. However, what is the tipping point in esports when the community enjoys your players as personalities and figureheads but there are no results? Can a big expensive team move forward by only exploiting famous players? Does winning even matter anymore in esports? If no EG player has any good results for the next 2 years, would it even matter? Is this ok for the esports community? As a community should we value personality, team image, or great play and performance? I obviously don't have the answers to these questions but it's always fascinating to think about. Would the Yankees be as big and successful if they didn't have a room full of trophies? What is the necessary balance of successful marketting and successful playing? We may never be able to answer these questions but so far as we can tell at this point in eSports (sc2), player personality and team marketting >>>>> skill, results, and performance. And this is why EG are the heavyweight champs.
But here is the thing. EG does win. And they win more than most foreign teams. They are the only foreign team to win 2 MLGs (Championship Events). They are the only foreign team to win a MLG since Koreans started attending. They won 2 IEMs and had top 3 placings in two other IEMs. They also won an NASL. And they just won WCS Sweden, aka the hardest WCS outside Korea.
And thats just in sc2. EG has players under multiple titles and they all are very successful. Saying they need to start winning is incredibly ignorant because they have been winning. More than almost any other foreign team.
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On August 23 2012 04:18 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:16 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
IdrA must be happy to get a zerg compainion Agreed, always wanted to see what Idra's mechanics could do if paired with a BO/meta genius like Stephano
I'm sure Idra hates this because of his ego
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On August 23 2012 04:33 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:16 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
IdrA must be happy to get a zerg compainion It's not IdrA's ZvZ that he needs work on. I think that if those two played together a lot, they'd each benefit equally from each other in terms of ZvZ.
I think he means more of a helping role rather than them practicing against each other.
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On August 23 2012 04:33 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:16 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
IdrA must be happy to get a zerg compainion It's not IdrA's ZvZ that he needs work on. I think that if those two played together a lot, they'd each benefit equally from each other in terms of ZvZ.
well IdrA's ZvZ used to be top foreign, but now its really slipped and he's losing a lot of ZvZ's he shouldn't and so playing against stephano should help...
But on the other hand idra himself has said that Stephano doesnt necessarily play in the most rational and smart way bu that he just knows that he should do X and more times than not it winds up working out. apparently stephano doesnt do super specific bo or timings
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