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On August 13 2012 08:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 22:42 Agathon wrote:On August 09 2012 22:11 Polygamy wrote:
He really needs to play a GSL already
No. He doesn't need it. You want to see him playing in GSL, and it's perfectly understandable, but neither his fame, neither his bank account need it. GSL is not "money worthy" for a player like Stephano. Need is a relative term but will his fame and fortune rise exponentially is he wins it? Yes, it will. Winning GSL is the most "money worthy" thing Stephano could ever do. Aside from the huge payout, winning it as the first non-Korean would grant him heavy leverage for any salary negotiations. Talk shows and media would be all over him. His fame will rise from Most Hyped up Foreigner to an actual Legend.
QFT. This man speaks words of wisdom. The $45,000 USD prize for winning GSL is a small bonus to the numerous intangible perks of winning, especially for a foreigner.
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On August 13 2012 08:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 22:42 Agathon wrote:On August 09 2012 22:11 Polygamy wrote:
He really needs to play a GSL already
No. He doesn't need it. You want to see him playing in GSL, and it's perfectly understandable, but neither his fame, neither his bank account need it. GSL is not "money worthy" for a player like Stephano. Need is a relative term but will his fame and fortune rise exponentially is he wins it? Yes, it will. Winning GSL is the most "money worthy" thing Stephano could ever do. Aside from the huge payout, winning it as the first non-Korean would grant him heavy leverage for any salary negotiations. Talk shows and media would be all over him. His fame will rise from Most Hyped up Foreigner to an actual Legend.
You need also see the other side of the coin in case he just gets knocked out in the Ro. 32, which might make him actually lose a lot of his fame and the hype that's around him.
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On August 13 2012 08:31 Kahlgar wrote:
In warcraft 3, the koreans were dominant but the foreigners always had a fighting chance and the very best ones were capable of taking down major tournaments.
which is not the case for sc2. except for stephano and naniwa who can compete with the koreans, you don't have a foreigner worthy of code s anymore. that's rough.
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On August 13 2012 09:08 Rokoz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:On August 09 2012 22:42 Agathon wrote:On August 09 2012 22:11 Polygamy wrote:
He really needs to play a GSL already
No. He doesn't need it. You want to see him playing in GSL, and it's perfectly understandable, but neither his fame, neither his bank account need it. GSL is not "money worthy" for a player like Stephano. Need is a relative term but will his fame and fortune rise exponentially is he wins it? Yes, it will. Winning GSL is the most "money worthy" thing Stephano could ever do. Aside from the huge payout, winning it as the first non-Korean would grant him heavy leverage for any salary negotiations. Talk shows and media would be all over him. His fame will rise from Most Hyped up Foreigner to an actual Legend. You need also see the other side of the coin in case he just gets knocked out in the Ro. 32, which might make him actually lose a lot of his fame and the hype that's around him.
I doubt getting knocked out in Ro. 32 will hurt his fame and hype. It's 1 tournament. Yea, he's expected to go further than that, but shit happens.
Now on the other hand, if he goes on some shitty losing romp in several GSL's, then that would probably hurt him. But this is Stephano... that doesn't happen.
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On August 13 2012 09:08 Rokoz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:On August 09 2012 22:42 Agathon wrote:On August 09 2012 22:11 Polygamy wrote:
He really needs to play a GSL already
No. He doesn't need it. You want to see him playing in GSL, and it's perfectly understandable, but neither his fame, neither his bank account need it. GSL is not "money worthy" for a player like Stephano. Need is a relative term but will his fame and fortune rise exponentially is he wins it? Yes, it will. Winning GSL is the most "money worthy" thing Stephano could ever do. Aside from the huge payout, winning it as the first non-Korean would grant him heavy leverage for any salary negotiations. Talk shows and media would be all over him. His fame will rise from Most Hyped up Foreigner to an actual Legend. You need also see the other side of the coin in case he just gets knocked out in the Ro. 32, which might make him actually lose a lot of his fame and the hype that's around him.
Or the other side of the coin (yes coins have 3 sides), where he keeps avoiding GSL and people get sick and tired of all the hype and running away from the world's toughest competition. Its a proving ground really, Stephano doesn't even have to win GSL to consolidate his reputation as the best foreigner. Round of 8 or higher will be sufficient.
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On August 13 2012 04:50 deathgod6 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 04:45 sickkungen wrote:On August 11 2012 02:11 SilSol wrote:
I feel like Stephano is the "new" Mondragon! Like he has so big potential atm. Hope he uses it well. Imo Stephano has surpassed Mondragon's achievements long ago. You weren't even around for SC:BW.
Yes, I was. I think Jaedong's tweet today says just about everything about Stephano's influence on the SC2 scene.
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Anyone have vods of stephano's recent streams? I've missed all of them because of work.
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On August 13 2012 09:55 stormchaser wrote:
Anyone have vods of stephano's recent streams? I've missed all of them because of work.
He will not upload VODs until after MLG because he does not want to be studied.
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On August 13 2012 09:08 Rokoz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 08:57 RaiKageRyu wrote:On August 09 2012 22:42 Agathon wrote:On August 09 2012 22:11 Polygamy wrote:
He really needs to play a GSL already
No. He doesn't need it. You want to see him playing in GSL, and it's perfectly understandable, but neither his fame, neither his bank account need it. GSL is not "money worthy" for a player like Stephano. Need is a relative term but will his fame and fortune rise exponentially is he wins it? Yes, it will. Winning GSL is the most "money worthy" thing Stephano could ever do. Aside from the huge payout, winning it as the first non-Korean would grant him heavy leverage for any salary negotiations. Talk shows and media would be all over him. His fame will rise from Most Hyped up Foreigner to an actual Legend. You need also see the other side of the coin in case he just gets knocked out in the Ro. 32, which might make him actually lose a lot of his fame and the hype that's around him.
exactly. Dont compete and keep mystique while beating people in tournaments whose format benefit your style.
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On August 13 2012 08:39 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 07:57 Squeegy wrote:On August 13 2012 07:44 Type|NarutO wrote:
The gap between non-Koreans and Koreans in Broodwar came from a lack of proscene in the foreign scene. You couldn't live off of Broodwar and we were behind a few years if it comes down to progaming. In Starcraft 2 we were on even ground and now we are behind. And quote was has been said thousands of times in the past
Koreans are not better because they are Korean, they are better because they devote a ton of time into the game and have very good training partners. But that is to ignore a key factor in how proscenes are born and sustained: foreigners never had as many players sticking to the game. The consequence is, of course, that foreigners lack talent. It is talent and practise that makes perfect. There are a few Mondragons and Stephanos, yes, but there are no Jaedongs and Flashes. That is why training alone will not do, you also need talent. And you will find more talent when you have more people. That is why to increase the chances of seeing a foreign Flash, you will need the scene to grow. These BW and WC3 foreigners are not enough. I think the foreign scene is definitely large enough to find these talents. Now we just need the training.
It is nice that you think so.
On August 13 2012 08:53 Rokoz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 07:57 Squeegy wrote:On August 13 2012 07:44 Type|NarutO wrote:
The gap between non-Koreans and Koreans in Broodwar came from a lack of proscene in the foreign scene. You couldn't live off of Broodwar and we were behind a few years if it comes down to progaming. In Starcraft 2 we were on even ground and now we are behind. And quote was has been said thousands of times in the past
Koreans are not better because they are Korean, they are better because they devote a ton of time into the game and have very good training partners. But that is to ignore a key factor in how proscenes are born and sustained: foreigners never had as many players sticking to the game. The consequence is, of course, that foreigners lack talent. It is talent and practise that makes perfect. There are a few Mondragons and Stephanos, yes, but there are no Jaedongs and Flashes. That is why training alone will not do, you also need talent. And you will find more talent when you have more people. That is why to increase the chances of seeing a foreign Flash, you will need the scene to grow. These BW and WC3 foreigners are not enough. In the end it's all about practice, not the absurd word what people call talent. The reason why people at foreigner scene aren't as good as Korean's isn't because they don't practice enough (Well, maybe for some it is), but because the quality of their practice isn't as good as Korean's. In doesn't matter how big amount of "talent" you got if there are other players practising in team houses like IM. I don't agree at all that it has something to do with talent, talent isn't something that actually exist. When you look at Usain Bolt, you can hear people call him talented, but for him one obvious reason why he's the best is that his body build, thus it's not talent just physical body. Now when you have such a body the only way to actually become the best in the end, is just to practice.
In the end it is about practise and talent. In Usain Bolt's case, yes, the dimensions of his body give him that extra edge. In some games like Chess it is being able to think far enough ahead. In RTS it is something else. Some people are able to draw much better than I ever could when they're just children. Of course I don't mean to simplify things and say it is just one quality in person that people need to succeed. One can have talent in learning or being able to focus completely on a single thing, making practise more efficient for example. But rest assured, it is not all about practise. Talent is something innate. And that is why a monkey can never beat me in chess, and even if one could, it wouldn't take too much effort from me to win again. In humans the difference is much more subtle but it is still there.
On August 13 2012 08:57 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 07:57 Squeegy wrote:On August 13 2012 07:44 Type|NarutO wrote:
The gap between non-Koreans and Koreans in Broodwar came from a lack of proscene in the foreign scene. You couldn't live off of Broodwar and we were behind a few years if it comes down to progaming. In Starcraft 2 we were on even ground and now we are behind. And quote was has been said thousands of times in the past
Koreans are not better because they are Korean, they are better because they devote a ton of time into the game and have very good training partners. But that is to ignore a key factor in how proscenes are born and sustained: foreigners never had as many players sticking to the game. The consequence is, of course, that foreigners lack talent. It is talent and practise that makes perfect. There are a few Mondragons and Stephanos, yes, but there are no Jaedongs and Flashes. That is why training alone will not do, you also need talent. And you will find more talent when you have more people. That is why to increase the chances of seeing a foreign Flash, you will need the scene to grow. These BW and WC3 foreigners are not enough. This makes no sense. Foreigners outnumber Koreans by a factor 10 at least, what they lack is not talent, they lack talented people who are willing to train like Koreans and infrastructure to support them while they do. And as far as talent goes, i'm pretty sure Stephano is one of the most gifted players in the game, he lacks training discipline and support but still manages to be among the absolute best.
It doesn't make sense to you because you don't know the background of which I am talking about. Foreigners do not outnumber Koreans 10 to 1. BW had a huge Korean scene and SC2 is now reaping its benefits. The scene had, I dare say, far more people play the game seriously than any foreigner scene so far has. What that means is that you had so many practise hard while sharing a common goal. Only the most hardworking and talented players would end up at the top. In the foreign scene you had to be more a diehard fan doing it out of love for the game to play seriously because of the lack of future prospects. Therefore many of those with talent never stuck with the game and also those who did, did not have to practise that hard. So this means the foreign scene needs to work harder but also that there isn't enough talent in the bunch.
I am oversimplifying things with my examples as there are so many variables to consider. For example it is possible that a scene has just a single player who also happens to be the most talented there can be. My point is that this is very unlikely. I am talking in the general sense.
And to conclude: I think to be the best you need to satisfy a few conditions: You need to have the talent, so as to have the potential to be the best. You need to love what you're doing, so as to have the motivation to practise enough to reach your potential. You need to play in the right environment, so as to get the maximum benefit out of your practise.
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Khaldor just said Stephano is at the GSL studios "talking things over" with some people and that he's leaving on Saturday. However, he'll be returning "soon" according to Khaldor.
So there shouldn't be any doubt he's going back. Probably for Code S next month.
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On August 13 2012 09:24 sickkungen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 04:50 deathgod6 wrote:On August 13 2012 04:45 sickkungen wrote:On August 11 2012 02:11 SilSol wrote:
I feel like Stephano is the "new" Mondragon! Like he has so big potential atm. Hope he uses it well. Imo Stephano has surpassed Mondragon's achievements long ago. You weren't even around for SC:BW. Yes, I was. I think Jaedong's tweet today says just about everything about Stephano's influence on the SC2 scene.
Mondragon plays zerg, Stephano plays zerg.
Thats about it . Great resemblance.
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On August 13 2012 18:24 Kiyo. wrote:
Khaldor just said Stephano is at the GSL studios "talking things over" with some people and that he's leaving on Saturday. However, he'll be returning "soon" according to Khaldor.
So there shouldn't be any doubt he's going back. Probably for Code S next month.
He already said November or December..
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On August 13 2012 18:24 Kiyo. wrote:
Khaldor just said Stephano is at the GSL studios "talking things over" with some people and that he's leaving on Saturday. However, he'll be returning "soon" according to Khaldor.
So there shouldn't be any doubt he's going back. Probably for Code S next month.
source? where did he say this?
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is there a list of the foreigners who had been korean GM?
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On August 13 2012 20:04 ThePlayer33 wrote:
is there a list of the foreigners who had been korean GM?
I think IdrA, HuK, Stephano, ThorZaIN (not sure) are the only ones who have achieved it. Not sure though.
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On August 13 2012 18:38 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 18:24 Kiyo. wrote:
Khaldor just said Stephano is at the GSL studios "talking things over" with some people and that he's leaving on Saturday. However, he'll be returning "soon" according to Khaldor.
So there shouldn't be any doubt he's going back. Probably for Code S next month. He already said November or December..
Soon indicates September/October to me, not November/December.
On August 13 2012 19:56 Anta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 18:24 Kiyo. wrote:
Khaldor just said Stephano is at the GSL studios "talking things over" with some people and that he's leaving on Saturday. However, he'll be returning "soon" according to Khaldor.
So there shouldn't be any doubt he's going back. Probably for Code S next month. source? where did he say this?
During WCS Korea tonight.
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On August 13 2012 20:23 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 20:04 ThePlayer33 wrote:
is there a list of the foreigners who had been korean GM? I think IdrA, HuK, Stephano, ThorZaIN (not sure) are the only ones who have achieved it. Not sure though.
In the past 3-4 months I remember Nightend (top 8) and Snute right now .
Idra and Huk were in GM ages ago....
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On August 13 2012 20:23 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 20:04 ThePlayer33 wrote:
is there a list of the foreigners who had been korean GM? I think IdrA, HuK, Stephano, ThorZaIN (not sure) are the only ones who have achieved it. Not sure though.
Snute, Nightend, Naniwa, ToD, Major, Jinro, SaSe, Mafia, moonglade, Sen, Loner, a lot more chinese guys, etc.
I'm sure I missed some players.
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Desrow was GM for 1 season while in korea, SaSe used to be GM aswell, not sure but i guess Major too.
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