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On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote:
Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people.
Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros.
You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right?
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His point still stands, because there are many Korean Code S Caliber, be it GM or Top master.
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On August 13 2012 22:38 Josh111 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote:
Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people.
Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right?
Apparantly he is new to the idea of people smurfing. How many accounts in the top 5 of GM did Creator have at a time again? Was it 3 or 4?
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On August 13 2012 22:36 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 22:16 ThePlayer33 wrote:On August 13 2012 21:59 Thurken wrote:On August 13 2012 21:31 niteReloaded wrote:On August 13 2012 21:13 Thurken wrote:On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote:
Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people.
Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. What is impressive is his level of play and his improvement since he arrived 4 days ago. I haven't watched him a lot, is the improvement really noticable, in 4 days? I mean he was pretty sick already, can you make a few points of why you think he improved? I think he improved because has got better mechanics (like the creepspread), and used more strategies (like the 4 queens ZvT). You can also see some improvement overall from day to day (in map awareness, micro, decision making, mechanics) even if it is maybe not his best games ever. seems kinda vague, would be crazy if it's true. i don't think we are considering that anyway, just his overall skill level before he arrived in korea. i also asked for a list of players in korea GM, were those players "dominating" as stephano? doesn't seem so. also i think ladder shouldn't be an indicator of skill anyway at such a high level, players such as naniwa is GSL quarter finalist twice, losing to MVP then DRG... he practises a heck ton and we can see it. all in all, if stephano wants to demonstrate his skill, rather than the "i want money since i probably won't win GSL" attitude, he should play at the (regular season)GSL. but it is highly doubtful :/ Stephano said on stream that he will play gsl eventually, Just a matter of it needing to align up at a good time for him when there is not to many other events going on. I do not think he is as "scared" as people trying to make him seem to be for playing the gsl. He has proven numerous times he can adapt to whatever any player is doing. He gets critized at times for doing the same strat alot, but then when i watch other zergs they do the same shit as well. Its not like zerg has alot of units. They only have a few which makes it seem they do the same shit every game. Since Stephano has came onto the scene he is the last person that should be critized for his play style. Stephano has basically changed 2 matchup meta games completely. Nobody was going ling/infestor/ultralisk /double upgrades before ipl3. Stephano revolutionized ZvT. Nobody was 12 minute roach maxing vs protoss. Stephano has revolutionized that strategy and everybody followed suit. Stephano has been going ultralisks in ZvZ ever since he started streaming way before ipl 3. As stephano go's ultralisks against violet in MLG arena and owns him, he changed the meta AGAIN. All of a sudden zergs be massing ultralisks late game instead of roach roach roach roach roach /infestor like it used to be for everybody else. Stephano has /always has been doing every strat available to zerg since he came out. Even in ipl 3 people where people were like man he loves his lings massing, but never paid attention to the fact that everytime on shakrus he went mutalisks in ZvT. Its just like how people always classified puma as a 1/1/1 cheeser when the majority of pumas games did not have 1/1/1 in them. Thats just what he gets remembered for all the time. When protoss gos fast 3 base, he goes mutalisks against them, when protoss blind counter his 12 minute max roach rush u see him go mass Lings instead. When stephano was always dieing to hellion/marine/marauder all ins from polt, He changed the zvt meta again, by ALWAYS going roachs in the matchup no matter what. Even if its just for defense. Anyway i might be riding his cock a little to much, just saying he is the last person people should really critize for doing the same thing again and again. If it not broken, no need to fix it. And just when you least expect it, he always throws atleast 1 curve ball in for most of his series against everybody throwing them completely off guard. Mc get caught with mass mutalisks, Polt gets 10 pooled, Ryung got mutalisk massed and got caught with no AA. The list go's on and on.
Excellent post.
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Streaming today? Streaming this week? Times?
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On August 13 2012 22:59 mcluvinbeach wrote:
Streaming today? Streaming this week? Times?
Not today, tomorrow yes. Standard times I guess, afternoon/evening EU or morning/afternoon NA.
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On August 13 2012 22:16 ThePlayer33 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 21:59 Thurken wrote:On August 13 2012 21:31 niteReloaded wrote:On August 13 2012 21:13 Thurken wrote:On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote:
Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people.
Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. What is impressive is his level of play and his improvement since he arrived 4 days ago. I haven't watched him a lot, is the improvement really noticable, in 4 days? I mean he was pretty sick already, can you make a few points of why you think he improved? I think he improved because has got better mechanics (like the creepspread), and used more strategies (like the 4 queens ZvT). You can also see some improvement overall from day to day (in map awareness, micro, decision making, mechanics) even if it is maybe not his best games ever. seems kinda vague, would be crazy if it's true. i don't think we are considering that anyway, just his overall skill level before he arrived in korea. i also asked for a list of players in korea GM, were those players "dominating" as stephano? doesn't seem so. also i think ladder shouldn't be an indicator of skill anyway at such a high level, players such as naniwa is GSL quarter finalist twice, losing to MVP then DRG... he practises a heck ton and we can see it. all in all, if stephano wants to demonstrate his skill, rather than the "i want money since i probably won't win GSL" attitude, he should play at the (regular season)GSL. but it is highly doubtful :/
"that ladder shouldn't be an indicator of skill" sounds too generalized to me. i would agree that is ONE but not the best indicator. but in stephano's case... i mean did you watch him? i watched a fuckton, hardly missed a game i think (left my pc only to buy food when he streamed, lol). he just slaughtered the most of his opponents, dropping a game here and there against a cheese or an good timed all-in. but in straight up macro games he just seems to be unstoppable. in most cases in seems close to a certain point where a bigger angagement happens and he just shows unbelievebal micro, decision making, runbys, deflecting drops all at the same time and from there on it snowballs into a massacre (the way he overwhelms his opponent is really impressive) and this is like 8 of ten games the case.
the consistency of his play is frighteing. from first to last game just absently starring at his screen, pulling out the sickest moves while listening to oldschool rock lol
It is just that big difference of watching other streams maybe MKP or such names can be compared. but when you see how really good players have hard times in ladder - there is simply no other foreigner who is rampaging on korean ladder like he does. it's enough prove of skill, at least for me.
also he doesn't need to demonstrate his skill to ANYONE just check sc2earnings.com or his TLPD - all proves you need.
and i don't think he should play in a regular GSL season - it's too long, too less money for that time spend, the practice and style of preparation for each opponent doesn't fits to him as good. if he would have to travel more than he travels nowadays it might just be too much. and he simply could make more money by taking the big tournaments around the world which are held within few days.
tl;dr
- if you watch him closly in which way he's slaughtering those toptiers on KR ladder there is not much more indicator of skill needed
- doesn't have to demonstrate anything, sc2earnings and TLPD exists
- shouldn't attend in a regular GSL season - not worth it / too much travel, if also attending other foreign tourneys
my2cents
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On August 13 2012 22:38 Josh111 wrote:
You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right?
It's 40 people...?
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On August 13 2012 23:34 creamyturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 22:38 Josh111 wrote:
You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right? It's 40 people...?
Korean Progamers are known for their smurfing with lots of them having 5+ accounts, so 40 sounds about right.
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Waiting to see him continue crushing.
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On August 13 2012 23:34 creamyturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 22:38 Josh111 wrote:
You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right? It's 40 people...?
hes basically saying that theres a lot pro gamers out there that own multiple accounts in GM.
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^^ arrange by name (character) and check the dupes (:
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On August 13 2012 22:38 Josh111 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote:
Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people.
Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right?
You have a point, but '40' is pushing it imo. But your point would still stand even if it's 50, 60, or 70.
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That post is based on so many assumptions and random guesses. No way that is going to give us an accurate number.
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It was reported that Stephano is actively participating in the training program and he is progressing much faster than expected.
May God have mercy on his opponents in the future.
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On August 13 2012 23:35 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 23:34 creamyturtle wrote:On August 13 2012 22:38 Josh111 wrote:
You do realize that the Korean GM is like 40 people right? It's 40 people...? Korean Progamers are known for their smurfing with lots of them having 5+ accounts, so 40 sounds about right.
I believe it was MKP who had like nine accounts in the top ten at the same time (or something practically as ridiculous).
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On August 14 2012 00:48 Apollo_Shards wrote:That post is based on so many assumptions and random guesses. No way that is going to give us an accurate number.
The assumptions come after analyzing the data. Counting names doesn't need any assumption.
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