EPTOn August 13 2012 20:26 Kiyo. wrote:
Soon indicates September/October to me, not November/December.
Soon indicates September/October to me, not November/December.
I guess you know better than Stephano does hah
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
I guess you know better than Stephano does hah | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On August 13 2012 20:34 inermis wrote: Desrow was GM for 1 season while in korea, SaSe used to be GM aswell, not sure but i guess Major too. Someone played on Desrow's account to get it I believe (Major or ToD?) | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On August 13 2012 20:40 Camlito wrote: Someone played on Desrow's account to get it I believe (Major or ToD?) Major used to smurf on Desrows account. SaSe, Naniwa, NightEnd and Major have all had accounts in gm. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote: Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people. Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. You forgot MKPs 20 smurfs and the other smurf accounts of all the top pro gamers. | ||
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation389 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote: Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people. Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. I wouldn't call it an embarassment since someone in GM league need to be inactive for you to be able to get to Korean GM. Nowadays the korean GM league is harder and more active because there are also alot of kespa players. But it is clearly not an achievement for top foreigners to get there. It is not even an achievement to be top16 there, more of a nice indicator that you are in good shape. Stephano is aiming for top 3 zerg and top 1 foreigner so being top 100 in korean GM is not that impressive, especially since many players are not playing 100% there. What is impressive is his level of play and his improvement since he arrived 4 days ago. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On August 13 2012 07:21 Squeegy wrote: I think the point is mostly that WC3 had it's Grubbys and Moons switch. A lot of the guys people consider the most talented from BW didn't, and those who did, seem not to have really went all-in so to speak. Also. Morrow and SortOf are from BW, so if I fixed your caluclations correctly, the numbers would be 180 and 176. Even though Moon and grubby switched, the majority of the top tier from wc3 didn't switch. and moon just switched 6 months ago. People like Remind, Sky, Fly100%, Lucifer etc etc have still not switched yet and might not do it at all. | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
He also said that he doesn't like to practice against the same guy again and again in custom game. He said that's because he did like 100 ZvP against Mana lately that Mana managed to beat him twice in tournaments. That's why he prefers the lader to train his mechanics and ZvZ. Amongst others things, he said that he was too busy until november to do any GSL or GSTL. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On August 13 2012 21:13 Thurken wrote: What is impressive is his level of play and his improvement since he arrived 4 days ago. I haven't watched him a lot, is the improvement really noticable, in 4 days? I mean he was pretty sick already, can you make a few points of why you think he improved? | ||
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TiCHEN
Netherlands152 Posts
On August 13 2012 21:00 niteReloaded wrote: Frankly it should be an embarassment for any foreigner with high aims to not be able to get to Korean GM. It's top 200 people. Code S is 32 people. Expand that to 50 for Code S caliber players. The rest is 150 of 2nd tier Korean pros. nestea and MVP aren't GM in korea. MC is also in master league. Does this mean they should be embarassed even more than the foreigners? | ||
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eRoN_
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On August 13 2012 21:14 Eee wrote: Even though Moon and grubby switched, the majority of the top tier from wc3 didn't switch. and moon just switched 6 months ago. People like Remind, Sky, Fly100%, Lucifer etc etc have still not switched yet and might not do it at all. Moon switched to sc2 in beta dude not 6m onths ago. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On August 13 2012 21:40 eRoN_ wrote: Moon switched to sc2 in beta dude not 6m onths ago. Full time. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
You're really naive if you think that keep playing War3 means spliting your practice time 50-50. I'm pretty sure Kespa's training is also more towards a 75-25 or 80-20 ratio than a 50-50 which makes no sense whatsoever (both from a personal and team view) considering Starcraft 2 is the future. | ||
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Thurken
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On August 13 2012 21:31 niteReloaded wrote: I haven't watched him a lot, is the improvement really noticable, in 4 days? I mean he was pretty sick already, can you make a few points of why you think he improved? I think he improved because has got better mechanics (like the creepspread), and used more strategies (like the 4 queens ZvT). You can also see some improvement overall from day to day (in map awareness, micro, decision making, mechanics) even if it is maybe not his best games ever. | ||
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Anta
Germany434 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tQKas.jpg) http://sc2ranks.com/team/10469533 http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/2829480/1/이회창/ladder/37314#current-rank News on Millenium (french) http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-stephano-deja-en-ligue-gm-kr-apres-trois-jours-stephano-est-deja-dans-le-top-10-de-la-ligue-gm-coreenne-73284 edit: i noticed that there is somebody playing on this acc again while stephano is not streaming. given the win/loss ratio is much worse (like even) in that not streamed games leads to the assumption there is someone other playing on this acc. i wish they would not do that, so we can see his real run (it doesn't affect his ranking too much but... ya 8[ ) | ||
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johnny123
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On August 13 2012 21:14 Eee wrote: Even though Moon and grubby switched, the majority of the top tier from wc3 didn't switch. and moon just switched 6 months ago. People like Remind, Sky, Fly100%, Lucifer etc etc have still not switched yet and might not do it at all. Moon definately did not start sc2 6 months ago, moon been playing since the beta and he was one of the first koreans to start going to MLG,He was in Season 1 of the NASL, He also was in the finals of dreamhack vs huk very long ago. Remind switched, he was caught at a gsl qualifier a couple seasons ago by khaldor, he did not qualify for code A, He got knocked out in the 2nd round,he plays protoss. Sky hasnt switched, but he has been playing starcraft 2, he plays terran and a while ago there was a showmatch between moon vs sky in both warcraft 3 and starcraft 2, moon won both of them. My guess is sky was not really improving at sc2 and quit trying to make it work I havent heard anything about fly as yet for sc2. Same with lucifer, however i would not consider lucifer like some ultimate player, Grubby used to beat him all the time and grubby isnt at the top of sc2 like he was for war3. All the top war3 pros arent putting up results in sc2 like they did in warcraft 3. Lyn got knocked out of GSL completely, Focus fizzled out after season 1 or 2 of the GSL, i cant remember , but focus was playing protoss and was pretty fucking bad. The lesser warcraft 3 pros like Stephano/naniwa/Sase/Thorzain are all leaps and bounds better in sc2 . Being the best at one game does not mean you will automatically be the best at another game. Its the same for the kespa players, While some might reach the very top (the flash's /jaedongs/,storks/bisu etc) i dont expect all them to do exactly to well in sc2. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On August 13 2012 21:59 Thurken wrote: I think he improved because has got better mechanics (like the creepspread), and used more strategies (like the 4 queens ZvT). You can also see some improvement overall from day to day (in map awareness, micro, decision making, mechanics) even if it is maybe not his best games ever. seems kinda vague, would be crazy if it's true. i don't think we are considering that anyway, just his overall skill level before he arrived in korea. i also asked for a list of players in korea GM, were those players "dominating" as stephano? doesn't seem so. also i think ladder shouldn't be an indicator of skill anyway at such a high level, players such as naniwa is GSL quarter finalist twice, losing to MVP then DRG... he practises a heck ton and we can see it. all in all, if stephano wants to demonstrate his skill, rather than the "i want money since i probably won't win GSL" attitude, he should play at the (regular season)GSL. but it is highly doubtful :/ | ||
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johnny123
521 Posts
On August 13 2012 22:16 ThePlayer33 wrote: seems kinda vague, would be crazy if it's true. i don't think we are considering that anyway, just his overall skill level before he arrived in korea. i also asked for a list of players in korea GM, were those players "dominating" as stephano? doesn't seem so. also i think ladder shouldn't be an indicator of skill anyway at such a high level, players such as naniwa is GSL quarter finalist twice, losing to MVP then DRG... he practises a heck ton and we can see it. all in all, if stephano wants to demonstrate his skill, rather than the "i want money since i probably won't win GSL" attitude, he should play at the (regular season)GSL. but it is highly doubtful :/ Stephano said on stream that he will play gsl eventually, Just a matter of it needing to align up at a good time for him when there is not to many other events going on. I do not think he is as "scared" as people trying to make him seem to be for playing the gsl. He has proven numerous times he can adapt to whatever any player is doing. He gets critized at times for doing the same strat alot, but then when i watch other zergs they do the same shit as well. Its not like zerg has alot of units. They only have a few which makes it seem they do the same shit every game. Since Stephano has came onto the scene he is the last person that should be critized for his play style. Stephano has basically changed 2 matchup meta games completely. Nobody was going ling/infestor/ultralisk /double upgrades before ipl3. Stephano revolutionized ZvT. Nobody was 12 minute roach maxing vs protoss. Stephano has revolutionized that strategy and everybody followed suit. Stephano has been going ultralisks in ZvZ ever since he started streaming way before ipl 3. As stephano go's ultralisks against violet in MLG arena and owns him, he changed the meta AGAIN. All of a sudden zergs be massing ultralisks late game instead of roach roach roach roach roach /infestor like it used to be for everybody else. Stephano has /always has been doing every strat available to zerg since he came out. Even in ipl 3 people where people were like man he loves his lings massing, but never paid attention to the fact that everytime on shakrus he went mutalisks in ZvT. Its just like how people always classified puma as a 1/1/1 cheeser when the majority of pumas games did not have 1/1/1 in them. Thats just what he gets remembered for all the time. When protoss gos fast 3 base, he goes mutalisks against them, when protoss blind counter his 12 minute max roach rush u see him go mass Lings instead. When stephano was always dieing to hellion/marine/marauder all ins from polt, He changed the zvt meta again, by ALWAYS going roachs in the matchup no matter what. Even if its just for defense. Anyway i might be riding his cock a little to much, just saying he is the last person people should really critize for doing the same thing again and again. If it not broken, no need to fix it. And just when you least expect it, he always throws atleast 1 curve ball in for most of his series against everybody throwing them completely off guard. Mc get caught with mass mutalisks, Polt gets 10 pooled, Ryung got mutalisk massed and got caught with no AA. The list go's on and on. | ||
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