EPTIf it wasn't for that 'curse', Stephano should be the favorite to win MLG. I hope he does too.
Stephano in Korea - Page 23
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
If it wasn't for that 'curse', Stephano should be the favorite to win MLG. I hope he does too. | ||
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LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:07 29 fps wrote: llllllllllllll or |||||||||||||||||| is everywhere on that list He must be very good, damn.  | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:10 niteReloaded wrote: We should be careful with the expectations, because so far, so often when a foreigner went to train to Korea for a while, they sucked at the next foreign event they went to. If it wasn't for that 'curse', Stephano should be the favorite to win MLG. I hope he does too. They sucked hard because when they got to Korea they had to relearn the game because all their timing and such were way off because foreigners ain't on the same level and is just worse. You have to be there a long time to be "complete", like Naniwa, SaSe and MajOr for an example. The reason Stephano won't have this problem is because he already play it in a right way and doesn't have to relearn, just polish his play. And I also think him being Zerg with reactionary and some what figured out gameplan is a big advantage over T's and P's going over to Korea for a few weeks and get crushed. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:07 29 fps wrote: llllllllllllll or |||||||||||||||||| is everywhere on that list because its the list of all the barcode names currently in GM Korea. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
It's been translated into Chinese, so I can translate it to English if needed. I just thought that it might be more accurate if someone wanted to translate it straight from Korean. | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:17 Gosi wrote: They sucked hard because when they got to Korea they had to relearn the game because all their timing and such were way off because foreigners ain't on the same level and is just worse. You have to be there a long time to be "complete", like Naniwa, SaSe and MajOr for an example. The reason Stephano won't have this problem is because he already play it in a right way and doesn't have to relearn, just polish his play. And I also think him being Zerg with reactionary and some what figured out gameplan is a big advantage over T's and P's going over to Korea for a few weeks and get crushed. I endorse this post. Also just about every foreigner struggles on the Korean ladder for a while until they adjust. Stephano however never struggled. Stephano had a 70+% win rate in his first run on the KR ladder, which was the second best Zerg win rate that season. This time around he has the second best overall win rate on the ladder (at around 72%), and he appeared to be getting better - yesterday, he won around 9 in a row at one point. Prior to this trip, if Stephano is to be believed, and I tend to believe him, he was not practicing at all because he was on holiday, and in the month prior he barely practiced, although he did play in a several tournaments. Now that he's playing 8 hours a day (every other day at least), there's no way he's not going to get better. With DRG falling on his face recently and Symbol showing shaky multi-tasking in the late game and generally not wowing anyone of late, if Stephano wins MLG, I think it's time to officially crown him the best zerg in the world. As you might guess from my posts, I've already given him that title. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On August 14 2012 03:00 Weirdkid wrote: Stephano had an interview with ThisIsGame at http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13439&id=1266208. It's been translated into Chinese, so I can translate it to English if needed. I just thought that it might be more accurate if someone wanted to translate it straight from Korean. Seeker did it  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360236 | ||
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siii
Norway251 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:10 niteReloaded wrote: We should be careful with the expectations, because so far, so often when a foreigner went to train to Korea for a while, they sucked at the next foreign event they went to. If it wasn't for that 'curse', Stephano should be the favorite to win MLG. I hope he does too. This is really just a terran and toss thing, because they actually need to hit timings(different/more crisp over there) and change up their builds. The Norwegian zerg Snute is on vacation in Korea and got straight in to GM, and is something like rank 60 and top 10 win rates. He has only been there for a very short amount of time, and he keeps climbing every day. This is from playing on an internet cafe while he's on vacation. | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On August 14 2012 03:06 The_Darkness wrote: I endorse this post. Also just about every foreigner struggles on the Korean ladder for a while until they adjust. Stephano however never struggled. Stephano had a 70+% win rate in his first run on the KR ladder, which was the second best Zerg win rate that season. This time around he has the second best overall win rate on the ladder (at around 72%), and he appeared to be getting better - yesterday, he won around 9 in a row at one point. Prior to this trip, if Stephano is to be believed, and I tend to believe him, he was not practicing at all because he was on holiday, and in the month prior he barely practiced, although he did play in a several tournaments. Now that he's playing 8 hours a day (every other day at least), there's no way he's not going to get better. With DRG falling on his face recently and Symbol showing shaky multi-tasking in the late game and generally not wowing anyone of late, if Stephano wins MLG, I think it's time to officially crown him the best zerg in the world. As you might guess from my posts, I've already given him that title. I agree. Were talking about someone who has pioneered the meta-game in multiple ways for... Well his entire career really. I wouldn't be so quick to talk down DRG, though. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On August 14 2012 03:19 shizaep wrote: God, Stephano has been the TLPD #1 foreign player for I don't know how long now. All the names around him change but one stays constant - Stephano as #1. Really enjoy Stephano's play and wish him the best of luck and swift improvement. Waiting for another tournament win from him soon. His ELO has also been third overall for forever. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On August 14 2012 00:58 Ludwigvan wrote: The assumptions come after analyzing the data. Counting names doesn't need any assumption. That data analyzing is HORRIBLE. You cant come to any reasonable conclusions with almost no evidence. You are trying to find something that isnt there. | ||
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latan
740 Posts
On August 14 2012 03:53 Apollo_Shards wrote: That data analyzing is HORRIBLE. You cant come to any reasonable conclusions with almost no evidence. You are trying to find something that isnt there. wow. | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On August 14 2012 03:22 Gumbi wrote: I agree. Were talking about someone who has pioneered the meta-game in multiple ways for... Well his entire career really. I wouldn't be so quick to talk down DRG, though. I think DRG will get back on track but he's still dropped I believe his last 5 bofX series in a row and not looked good doing it. Something keeping him from playing his best -- maybe a girl, maybe his wrists hurt, who knows? The unofficial best zerg in the world crown is up in the air IMO at the moment. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
I know right, this debate is the true battle of retards lol | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26991 Posts
On August 14 2012 04:26 BadBinky wrote: I really doubt the korean GM is just 40 people. There are probably at least 10 foreigners in the korean GM. Even some relatively unheralded foreign pros have got GM over there. Iirc Snute is around 50 or so. People read too much into it | ||
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Anta
Germany434 Posts
how can this d***h*** dare to use da Boss's acoount and ruining it with his poorly korean negativ win ratio ;o j/k but someone is playing shitty again on that account http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/2829480/1/이회창/matches luckily Boss will stream later and all kill the whole ladder or so :3 | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2012 06:13 Funkydonky wrote: Gap was big because they were much worse. It's as simple as that. It's really funny to even compare foreign BW to todays SC2 accomplishments, just look at your foreign bw heroes and how they are doing in sc2. Because they were much worse? What? No, it had nothing to do with that. I played more BW than I did SC2 relatively speaking, because I was a much bigger gamer in high school than college. Yet I've been able to take games off top Korean players on ladder. I couldn't take a single game off a B+ on ladder in BW if you gave me 50 games. You can compete at the top (probably lose the majority of the time) with 150 APM in SC2. You can't come remotely close to competing at the top wtih 150 APM in BW because there was simply too much shit to do. You can't macro midbattle by just clicking your hotkeyed building group and slamming down "AAAAAAA" or holding Z. Rather, if you were lucky and got protoss, you could use a positional hotkey (Fkey) to go back to your gateway groups and individually click every single gateway and try if you wanted to individually set each individual rally. Fuck rerallying production facilities was such a bitch for me.... | ||
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