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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
August 08 2012 14:52 GMT
#61
On August 08 2012 23:51 nkr wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
[quote]
Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.


so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?

Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.


No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.

I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.


If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.


The fact that players like nestea are still NOT microing their units and prefer to clump up their army, says so much imo. Imagine them splitting their army LOL.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
August 08 2012 14:53 GMT
#62
On August 08 2012 23:52 aTnClouD wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:51 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
[quote]

are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.


so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?

Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.


No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.

I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.


If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.

You are just not reading what I'm writing and responding like a retard. No point arguing from here.


Don't continue posting then. Just because my opinion differs from yours you don't need to go all rampant with your insults. Doesn't make your point come across any better.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
August 08 2012 14:53 GMT
#63
On August 08 2012 23:52 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:51 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
[quote]

are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.


so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?

Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.


No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.

I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.


If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.


The fact that players like nestea are still NOT microing their units and prefer to clump up their army, says so much imo. Imagine them splitting their army LOL.


Have you ever watched them play? Comments like these makes me think you havn't.
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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 08 2012 14:53 GMT
#64
On August 08 2012 23:52 sAsImre wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.


MKP is a scrub too ?


You know his answer to this question already
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 08 2012 14:53 GMT
#65
Foreigner balance is meaningless to me, so things look pretty good.

Actually, slightly not so good for Z :p
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
August 08 2012 14:54 GMT
#66
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.

I have never seen you microing your units properly and horrible players like jonnyrecco win over people like naniwa. If you really think zerg players are better right now then I won't argue with you to pop the fantasy bubble you live in. Just enjoy the nonsense that's going on right now and try to win as much as you can while it lasts.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
August 08 2012 14:54 GMT
#67
On August 08 2012 23:53 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:52 Snowbear wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
[quote]
Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.


so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?

Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.


No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.

I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.


If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.


The fact that players like nestea are still NOT microing their units and prefer to clump up their army, says so much imo. Imagine them splitting their army LOL.


Have you ever watched them play? Comments like these makes me think you havn't.


Yes, I did. I watched every nestea game. There are 2 things he does: macro and 1a. Sorry but there is no micro in his play.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 14:55:51
August 08 2012 14:55 GMT
#68
On August 08 2012 23:53 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:52 sAsImre wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.


MKP is a scrub too ?


You know his answer to this question already


yeah :D
anyway i'm waiting the day a Z will be good at micro. He's going to be fucking amazing.
I almost want Mvp to play Z. T.T
Zest fanboy.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
August 08 2012 14:55 GMT
#69
On August 08 2012 23:45 ELA wrote:
KR TvZ winrate explained:

[image loading]

July games v. Z: 10 wins, 1 loss (90.91% winrate)


You forgot Gumiho vs Zerg 12-3 (80% winrate)

These two alone skew the Terran winrate like 10% or something.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 14:57:15
August 08 2012 14:55 GMT
#70
On August 08 2012 23:54 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.

I have never seen you microing your units properly and horrible players like jonnyrecco win over people like naniwa. If you really think zerg players are better right now then I won't argue with you to pop the fantasy bubble you live in. Just enjoy the nonsense that's going on right now and try to win as much as you can while it lasts.

did you watch how naniwa played that series? jonnyrecco was far better than him in those games.

and if you wanna talk about a fantasy bubble, try looking at terran's win rate in.... all of starcraft2. terran players were just always the superior players right?
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
August 08 2012 14:57 GMT
#71
On August 08 2012 23:55 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.

I have never seen you microing your units properly and horrible players like jonnyrecco win over people like naniwa. If you really think zerg players are better right now then I won't argue with you to pop the fantasy bubble you live in. Just enjoy the nonsense that's going on right now and try to win as much as you can while it lasts.

did you watch how naniwa played that series? jonnyrecco was far better than him in those games.

Jonnyrecco is just an average gm player who sits back builds his t3 army and a moves. Naniwa didn't play his best but it doesn't change the fact he is a code s protoss losing to a guy becoming good after a patch.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 14:59:54
August 08 2012 14:59 GMT
#72
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.


Suddenly players like JonnyREcco get much better. Suddenly code S terrans complain that every high master / grandmaster plays like stephano on the ladder.

I would also like to invite you to here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/individual-leagues

Are you one of these people that actually believes that ALL good foreign players play zerg and protoss???
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
August 08 2012 14:59 GMT
#73
On August 08 2012 23:55 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:53 ELA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:52 sAsImre wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.


MKP is a scrub too ?


You know his answer to this question already


yeah :D
anyway i'm waiting the day a Z will be good at micro. He's going to be fucking amazing.
I almost want Mvp to play Z. T.T


Yea i know what you mean. Every now and then a zerg player will have incredible micro dodging storms etc or splitting lings in front of tanks but i agree its not as common. It seems that positioning for zerg is much more rewarding than unit micro (in terms of pure epm at least). There were so many games in which DRG just attacked from 270degrees simultaneously with flanks and would crush through his opponent, i really hope to see more of that in the future in particular!
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 08 2012 14:59 GMT
#74
On August 08 2012 23:57 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:55 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.

I have never seen you microing your units properly and horrible players like jonnyrecco win over people like naniwa. If you really think zerg players are better right now then I won't argue with you to pop the fantasy bubble you live in. Just enjoy the nonsense that's going on right now and try to win as much as you can while it lasts.

did you watch how naniwa played that series? jonnyrecco was far better than him in those games.

Jonnyrecco is just an average gm player who sits back builds his t3 army and a moves. Naniwa didn't play his best but it doesn't change the fact he is a code s protoss losing to a guy becoming good after a patch.

hes a code s protoss solely on his pvt and pvp. i dont think hes ever beaten a zerg in gsl. he does not understand the matchup at all, he plays it improperly. jonny played those games better than naniwa did.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 08 2012 14:59 GMT
#75
On August 08 2012 23:57 aTnClouD wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:55 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate.

Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.

I have never seen you microing your units properly and horrible players like jonnyrecco win over people like naniwa. If you really think zerg players are better right now then I won't argue with you to pop the fantasy bubble you live in. Just enjoy the nonsense that's going on right now and try to win as much as you can while it lasts.

did you watch how naniwa played that series? jonnyrecco was far better than him in those games.

Jonnyrecco is just an average gm player who sits back builds his t3 army and a moves. Naniwa didn't play his best but it doesn't change the fact he is a code s protoss losing to a guy becoming good after a patch.


I regret to admit that I actually agree with Idra on this one.

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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
August 08 2012 15:00 GMT
#76
On August 08 2012 23:55 canikizu wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:45 ELA wrote:
KR TvZ winrate explained:

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July games v. Z: 10 wins, 1 loss (90.91% winrate)


You forgot Gumiho vs Zerg 12-3 (80% winrate)

These two alone skew the Terran winrate like 10% or something.


2 players out of how many in korea? skew a winrate 10%? sorry but the math nowhere near checks out
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 08 2012 15:00 GMT
#77
On August 08 2012 23:59 Pazuzu wrote:
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On August 08 2012 23:55 sAsImre wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:53 ELA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:52 sAsImre wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
[quote]
Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.


MKP is a scrub too ?


You know his answer to this question already


yeah :D
anyway i'm waiting the day a Z will be good at micro. He's going to be fucking amazing.
I almost want Mvp to play Z. T.T


Yea i know what you mean. Every now and then a zerg player will have incredible micro dodging storms etc or splitting lings in front of tanks but i agree its not as common. It seems that positioning for zerg is much more rewarding than unit micro (in terms of pure epm at least). There were so many games in which DRG just attacked from 270degrees simultaneously with flanks and would crush through his opponent, i really hope to see more of that in the future in particular!


a good exemple would be infestor micro: on the T side you target them with tanks/marau, and like everyone do this since high master. Most Z at pro lvl a move their infestors into the enemy line...
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 08 2012 15:00 GMT
#78
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
August 08 2012 15:01 GMT
#79
On August 08 2012 23:59 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:57 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:55 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
[quote]
Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon.


are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.

I have never seen you microing your units properly and horrible players like jonnyrecco win over people like naniwa. If you really think zerg players are better right now then I won't argue with you to pop the fantasy bubble you live in. Just enjoy the nonsense that's going on right now and try to win as much as you can while it lasts.

did you watch how naniwa played that series? jonnyrecco was far better than him in those games.

Jonnyrecco is just an average gm player who sits back builds his t3 army and a moves. Naniwa didn't play his best but it doesn't change the fact he is a code s protoss losing to a guy becoming good after a patch.

hes a code s protoss solely on his pvt and pvp. i dont think hes ever beaten a zerg in gsl. he does not understand the matchup at all, he plays it improperly. jonny played those games better than naniwa did.

He hasn't even beaten a zerg in GSL yet he does really well on the top of korean ladder and almost beat DRG in ro8. Yeah Naniwa must be a really bad player, right?
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Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
August 08 2012 15:02 GMT
#80
On August 09 2012 00:00 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 23:59 Pazuzu wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:55 sAsImre wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:53 ELA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:52 sAsImre wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:
On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:
[quote]

are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?

Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty.


but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D

So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.

youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.


MKP is a scrub too ?


You know his answer to this question already


yeah :D
anyway i'm waiting the day a Z will be good at micro. He's going to be fucking amazing.
I almost want Mvp to play Z. T.T


Yea i know what you mean. Every now and then a zerg player will have incredible micro dodging storms etc or splitting lings in front of tanks but i agree its not as common. It seems that positioning for zerg is much more rewarding than unit micro (in terms of pure epm at least). There were so many games in which DRG just attacked from 270degrees simultaneously with flanks and would crush through his opponent, i really hope to see more of that in the future in particular!


a good exemple would be infestor micro: on the T side you target them with tanks/marau, and like everyone do this since high master. Most Z at pro lvl a move their infestors into the enemy line...


didnt even think of that, yes its an even more glaringly obvious example!
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