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On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?  Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.
so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?
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On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea?
Is he korean? Are we korean? Are all the foreign terrans korean? Ever thought about the possibility that those korean terrans are just sick good, and it doesn't matter how good their race is?
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KR TvZ winrate explained:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HNrRa.jpg)
July games v. Z: 10 wins, 1 loss (90.91% winrate)
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On August 08 2012 23:45 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Is he korean? Are we korean? Are all the foreign terrans korean? Ever thought about the possibility that those korean terrans are just sick good, and it doesn't matter how good their race is?
yes all the best players play terran, that argument is just amazing
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On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:45 Snowbear wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Is he korean? Are we korean? Are all the foreign terrans korean? Ever thought about the possibility that those korean terrans are just sick good, and it doesn't matter how good their race is? yes all the best players play terran, that argument is just amazing
give me a Z with good micro. hint there is none.
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On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right?
Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.
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On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right? Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.
and ppl wonder why pro don't come on these forums...
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On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right? Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick.
No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.
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On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:45 Snowbear wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Is he korean? Are we korean? Are all the foreign terrans korean? Ever thought about the possibility that those korean terrans are just sick good, and it doesn't matter how good their race is? yes all the best players play terran, that argument is just amazing
No, the korean terrans that are doing so well are beats. Lets do the math for you:
Terran nerfs
+
Zerg buffs
=
Zergs should do better, terrans should do worse.
But guess what happens? The Korean terrans just don't give a fuck and still win. Why is that?
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On August 08 2012 23:44 Grapefruit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:39 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. No, there's literally < 50 games in Korea for this month, and probably 15 of those at most were TvZ. Where do you take this from? It clearly says 871 games of which 321 were ZvTs.
Exactly, and to further Grapefruits point, there are 804 international TvZ which means that Korea accounts for more than a third of that international statistic. International TvZ really is horrible.
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On August 08 2012 23:36 ELA wrote:
Note that TaeJa is carrying the Korean Terran TLPD :D
Actually his wins are more relevant in the international graph.
Other Terran have done very well in Korea these past few weeks.
And it's only getting started, the only Korean results we have in Korea this month are wcg qualifier with a wonderful 70,6% winrate for terran and wcs qualifier with still no win for zergs.
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Korean tvz is actually worse for T. Taeja is actually just carrying the race LOL. Things are looking pretty bad for international tho TT. no savior there
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On August 08 2012 23:45 ELA wrote:KR TvZ winrate explained: July games v. Z: 10 wins, 1 loss (90.91% winrate)
Best post I've read in days. 
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On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right? Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick. No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry.
I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.
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On August 08 2012 23:35 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:27 iiGreetings wrote:
Whoa pretty danm balanced... because i heard that terran was struggling, but it turns out its dead even with zerg basically. Thanks for this grapefruit!
EDIT:i speak of the korean ladder, as they are ahead of the meta game on average. Unfortunately their metagame is to cheese or 1-base all in most of the time. The international terran win rate shows you what happens if you go beyond the early game :/
have you been watching different korean TvZs than the rest of us?
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On August 08 2012 23:48 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:45 Snowbear wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Is he korean? Are we korean? Are all the foreign terrans korean? Ever thought about the possibility that those korean terrans are just sick good, and it doesn't matter how good their race is? yes all the best players play terran, that argument is just amazing No, the korean terrans that are doing so well are beats. Lets do the math for you: Terran nerfs + Zerg buffs = Zergs should do better, terrans should do worse. But guess what happens? The Korean terrans just don't give a fuck and still win. Why is that?
Because the patch didn't matter as much for them as for foreigner terrans who just copied the koreans? There are a million different answers to that, but all of them are better than "terran players are just better"
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On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right? Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick. No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry. I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play.
If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.
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On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe.
youre not twice as good as anyone
terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.
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On August 08 2012 23:51 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:50 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:46 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:45 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:
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Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. so if im in gold and i keep losing to terrans who amove with stimmed marauders when im toss, i guess they need to buff forcefields, right? Are you comparing top foreign players to gold players? Please stop being a dick. No, what im saying is that there's no point in balancing the game for anyone but the best. Stop being so angry. I'll follow the advice of the guy above you, I'll just stop posting here cause it seems idiocy is rampant. Besides, having a perfectly balanced game at the top and below is possible, koreans will be good no matter what as long as the game balance remains the same, all Blizzard has to do is making zerg mechanics harder so it's a more challenging race to play. If zerg was such an easy race then amazing players like DRG, NesTea and soon Jaedong would have won and will win every tournament. That's not the case.
You are just not reading what I'm writing and responding like a retard. No point arguing from here.
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On August 08 2012 23:51 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 23:44 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:42 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:40 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:39 nkr wrote:On August 08 2012 23:38 aTnClouD wrote:On August 08 2012 23:36 ragz_gt wrote:
Holy just realized that international includes Korean... Foreign TvZ must be like 40% win rate. Don't worry Blizzard is hiring diamond random people for game balance, justice will be done soon. are you ignoring the TvZ winrates of korea? Well the graphs just show that zerg is way easier to play if anything. That's why they are hiring low league players for game balance, so they can also work on balancing difficulty. but it also shows that terran is perfectly fine if you are good at the game, so maybe you should focus on that :D So it's ok for me to be twice as good as somebody and still lose cause the race at top foreign level is too easy, while I would have to move to korea and practice with the best players there just to be competitive and balance the win rates with my own race. Solid point bro, try again maybe. youre not twice as good as anyone terrans limped along on their bullshit and then when it got fixed korean terrans figured out new timings and learned how to macro. it took them 2 months to get back to >50% win while you and all the other foreigners sat and bitched. you never deserved to win. get used to it.
MKP is a scrub too ?
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