EPTKeSPA, eSports Fed. agree on trade lock until Oct 2013 - P…
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CexAppeaL
United States31 Posts
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
That results in good teams being unable to find sponsors and paying almost nothing to most of their players. That is also one of the reasons a lot of Koreans look for contracts with foreign teams as they appear to have the business side of things a lot better under control. With Kespa switching to SC2 I was hoping some of the weaker Korean teams would disappear. The GOM teams currently have the strongest SC2 players but almost all sponsors available for the Korean SC2 scene are tied up in the weak(er) Kespa teams. This is a very unhealthy situation and this trade embargo is only going to make things worse because the good GOM teams can´t pick up a few big Kespa names to increase their sponsor appeal (and in the process the overall health of their team) and the Kespa teams can´t pick up a good GOM player to shore up their weak line-up. Either way something has to give and a few pro-teams need to disappear sad as it may be. ps. all this could be a good thing for foreign teams who have everything in order as they are not bound by any agreement like this and can potentially pick up some nice (Kespa)players. | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
does anyone even think about the players in korea, or are they just replaceable trash to their team managers? protect the teams at all costs, what players think about this is not important. i hate such behaviour. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On August 08 2012 16:43 Golden Ghost wrote: It also isn´t helping that both GOM and Kespa teams can´t participate in eachothers events. This splits up the scene even more and divides the available audience thus reducing the sponsor appeal. Either way something has to give and a few pro-teams need to disappear sad as it may be. wut? Chae has stated that Kespa players are free to join GSL at any time, current OSL already has and probably will be won by a Code S player and once the hybrid format is out GSL teams will probably join proleague as well. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Also it doesn't really indicate anything about free agency and players from KeSPA moving to eSF teams. Anyone care to clarify that as well? | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On August 08 2012 15:01 Cascade wrote: Hmm, let me know if I understand the thinking behind this: - Kespa teams has a lot of money and sponsors. But their players are not that hot in sc2 just yet. - GSL teams have less money, but the currently best sc2 players. so with a free market: - the kespa teams would buy the best sc2 players players from the GSL teams. - The GSL teams lose their sponsors, as they don't have any good players any longer. - the previous kespa players get demoted to B-team, or fired, and have to fight their way of from the bottom like everyone else. So to protect the kespa players and the GSL teams, they do this lock until the GSL teams get better economy (DRONES ffs!!) and the kespa players can catch up in sc2 skill? Did I get that right? Questions: 1) How will kespa teams keep their income? I guess the sponsors are leaving sc:bw now, and if the kespa players do not pick it up quick, they won't get more? 2) Transfers from kespa teams to GSL teams isn't really an issue then? They just blocked both ways to make it fair? thanks. The Kespa teams have huge companies (CJ, Samsung, Telekom, etc) sponsoring them. Money wont be the problem.. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 08 2012 16:25 Malpractice.248 wrote: HOTS will breathe life back into SC2; And Dota2 will hurt LoL. But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas. DotA was never a heavy hitting title in Korea and now they have LoL, Dota2 won't hurt LoL in favour of sc2 at all. In the west and China Dota2 may do that since DotA have alot of history here and in China. I don't think HotS will "breathe life" back into sc2 in the way you think/hope it will either. But we shall see! OnT: I don't know how I like this. In one way I think it's way to long and in another way it's good because the smaller teams won't get picked apart and that means more teams for GSTL and Proleague. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. I think EG and Liquid should be part of the federation, don't they? It would be kind of weird to see this, but i'm not sure it's impossible because of this agreement. @GoldenGhost: This doesn't keep teams from disappearing, right? Also, if a team disappears, i feels natural for the players on the team to become free agents (or to be sucked up by another team). I don't think the agreement will prevent this. This agreement is a step forward in trusting eachother. I agree i'd rather don't have it, but as an in between step it's not too bad. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Like, the foreign teams couldnt even afford the superstars anywyas unless they agree to a massive pay reduction which I honestly doubt.. Seems like M18M was the only one who got away in time >.> I suppose you could "retire" and then decide to come back to progaming as a way of dodging this agreement which I personally think hurts the progamers on the KeSPA teams To clarify myself: I can EASILY see why they made this agreement; to protect non-wealthy teams from loosing all their star playrerts to the wealthy KeSPA teams. . . But that hurts the players who could've had a bigger contract -> make more money -> possibly live with their idols from back when they watched BW. I mean there is even too many teams now as it is, when the merging happens I see some KeSPA and some Gom teams dying and I don't even think that it is a bad thing as it will stiffen competition and will make us viewers have higher quality games (you could argue that this doesn't benefit the players but the best players and rolemodels should have first priority in my head). I think I am done now.. :p | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
slayers not being part is np slayers has enough money to not scare them xD On August 08 2012 17:05 Yorbon wrote: I think EG and Liquid should be part of the federation, don't they? It would be kind of weird to see this, but i'm not sure it's impossible because of this agreement. no its all gom teams expect slayers On August 08 2012 17:05 Iplaythings wrote: [...] Seems like M18M was the only one who got away in time >.> [...] nonon M18M is from ACE, ACE will be disband and take NO new players, sowhile all players will leave ace as normal after their military services and then can decide where to go because they are free agents then | ||
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hangene92
Canada258 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:08 hangene92 wrote: Hots will come out by than, wonder if this will play any factor. hots will be out 1 year xD its 2013 not 2012 | ||
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Aristotle7
United States120 Posts
As SC2 short history have shown not all teams are awesome, and switching teams is one of ways of dealing with that. And now all players are stuck for a year? Jesus. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:06 CoR wrote: fine, it would be bad if the kespa teams buy all gom teams etc ... so it will be a fine agreement ! slayers not being part is np slayers has enough money to not scare them xD no its all gom teams expect slayers nonon M18M is from ACE, ACE will be disband and take NO new players, sowhile all players will leave ace as normal after their military services and then can decide where to go because they are free agents then Yeah but that a player such as M18M who probally were unable to receive a healthy conctract from the KeSPA teams instead join team Light which is perfect for his career as it give him a chance to perform for a broader audience. But please tell me who a player who is in a similar position to M18M, because I doubt the lower pack of the KeSPA progamers get much more than free food and a place to stay for their efforts | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:16 Iplaythings wrote: But please tell me who a player who is in a similar position to M18M, because I doubt the lower pack of the KeSPA progamers get much more than free food and a place to stay for their efforts Really? Don't they all get a decent salary? If not, then kespa is not that much more well off than some of the gom teams. Hrmm. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I think overall the benefits outweight the cons. We need to trust that the Elephant will take 6-12 months to turn into Dumbo and take flight so all in all i'm fine with this. | ||
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
- GOM players get Kespa progamer licences - Kespa players close the gap - Long term everything will be like in Brood War with a united Kespa/eSports Fed. on top and two big tournaments (GOM sort of replacing MBC) Do I see this correctly? | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 08 2012 17:18 opterown wrote: Really? Don't they all get a decent salary? If not, then kespa is not that much more well off than some of the gom teams. Hrmm. The top players on the team do, but all the practice partners and B-teamers get frighteningly little. When Action played for eSTRO he didnt have a salary at all despite being their best or second best player - that's the reality of progaming in Korea, unless you are at the top of the pack you won't make anything CLOSE to flash's salary. Take, I wouldn't bad that suprised if the EG guys get more than someone like Snow (middle pack player) | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
It's a shame, would have loved to see some good old fashioned team hopping :D | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
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