• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:02
CEST 14:02
KST 21:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star5Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced42026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid22
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group C Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2304 users

KeSPA, eSports Fed. agree on trade lock until Oct 2013 - P…

Forum Index > SC2 General
327 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 17 Next All
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 07:04:24
August 08 2012 06:51 GMT
#101
On August 08 2012 15:34 tsuxiit wrote:
Does anyone have a list of teams who are in the eSports Federation? Liquipedia is unhelpful on the matter.

I'm guessing there's no specific trade lock on teams not in the federation, though I'm sure KeSPA would love for there to be.

edit: According to this, the teams are:
Show nested quote +
Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, NSHoseo, FXO, and TSL
.

So not SlayerS, and no "foreign" teams besides FXO.

According to the article, even SlayerS is participating in this trade lock despite not being a Federation team.

This agreement prohibits KeSPA-affiliated teams to acquire players from eSports Federation (including SlayerS) until October 2013. Players affected by this agreement will be 25 players per each team's roster, and the Federation will periodically report 25 players in their roster to KeSPA. As per agreement, transfers will be possible regardless of the roster after October of next year.


Not sure about FXO, though. However, FXOBoSs tends to read through these forums sometimes, so he might show up sooner or later to hint at what FXO's stance on this is.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 06:53:22
August 08 2012 06:52 GMT
#102
i wonder if kespa will recruit players like ganzi, alive, crank, thestc or mc, etc considering they're not ESF haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 08 2012 06:53 GMT
#103
On August 08 2012 15:16 starception wrote:
Is it possible for some rich company like Microsoft or apple or maybe even a Team Blizzard to step in and buy the best/most famous from GOM and kespa? Like a team with DRG MKP mc MVP Taeja NesTea flash Jaedong Bisu Soulkey etc?


If that happen, then every GSTL,PL will be dominated by that team. And Also I think the scene will go down because now all the people who are new will just recognize this 1 team
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
zerger420
Profile Joined April 2012
30 Posts
August 08 2012 06:56 GMT
#104
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
August 08 2012 07:00 GMT
#105
HOTS will be out long before this is up...don't really like it tbh...I thought they already had such an agreement, but to extend it this long seems a bit silly
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 08 2012 07:11 GMT
#106
is the reason why Clide is allowed to go to KT cause Slayers isnt a part of ESF?
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 08 2012 07:18 GMT
#107
On August 08 2012 15:53 Ace1123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 15:16 starception wrote:
Is it possible for some rich company like Microsoft or apple or maybe even a Team Blizzard to step in and buy the best/most famous from GOM and kespa? Like a team with DRG MKP mc MVP Taeja NesTea flash Jaedong Bisu Soulkey etc?


If that happen, then every GSTL,PL will be dominated by that team. And Also I think the scene will go down because now all the people who are new will just recognize this 1 team


That wouldn't happen in the first place.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 07:25:08
August 08 2012 07:21 GMT
#108
On August 08 2012 15:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
Not sure about FXO, though. However, FXOBoSs tends to read through these forums sometimes, so he might show up sooner or later to hint at what FXO's stance on this is.

pretty sure FXO is part of it
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1139241
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324841
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
August 08 2012 07:23 GMT
#109
Good move my opinion.
U MAD BRO?
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 08 2012 07:25 GMT
#110
On August 08 2012 15:56 zerger420 wrote:
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.

HOTS will breathe life back into SC2;
And Dota2 will hurt LoL.


But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 08 2012 07:27 GMT
#111
On August 08 2012 16:25 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 15:56 zerger420 wrote:
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.

HOTS will breathe life back into SC2;
And Dota2 will hurt LoL.


But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas.



Mobas are good, like dota,dota2, But yeah i also hate lol.
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
BanditX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 07:31:10
August 08 2012 07:29 GMT
#112
I think the Brood War bias is rampant here. First, with Brood War waiting to be put down like a sick dog, the amount of money BW teams have to play with is completely up in the air. They aren't teams in the sense that Slayers is a team. BW teams are extensions of the companies who own them, and will exist as such only as long as they can be made profittable. Saying otherwise shows you have no understanding of business. And from what I've read, SC2 is not popular in Korea.

Secondly, what to do all the currently successful Korean SC2 pros have in common? They either win GSL, or they go play in foreign events. Guys like MMA bring in more bank from foreign tourneys than from GSL, thats for sure. Exactly how interested is KeSPA in the western scene? Because that is where all the money is at. Even GomTV is thriving off western money right now. KeSPA has been notoriously against letting their players play in other events.

Thirdly, GomTV has always had the full blessing of Blizzard Entertainment behind them. As long as GomTV successfully promotes SC2 in and out of Korea, I don't see that changing. It really helps that Gom is always more than willing to interact with the western audience and players. That alone assures that they will receive money from the people who like that. When was the last time we had a foriegn player in KeSPA?

I don't see KeSPA coming out on top. Not now. Not a year from now. Not ever again.

Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 08 2012 07:29 GMT
#113
On August 08 2012 16:27 Ace1123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 16:25 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:56 zerger420 wrote:
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.

HOTS will breathe life back into SC2;
And Dota2 will hurt LoL.


But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas.



Mobas are good, like dota,dota2, But yeah i also hate lol.

I cant stand mobas at all.
I cant stand any form of RPG where you have one character :/
ive never finished a single moba match, none the less a RPG. I havent even finished WoL campaign :p
I get bored
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
August 08 2012 07:31 GMT
#114
I don't understand this lack of unity and compromise. Could someone explain the rift to me, the uneducated, please?
Spontaneous Pneumothorax sucks, please keep MVP sC in your thoughts. sC fighting! 힘내세요
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 08 2012 07:32 GMT
#115
On August 08 2012 16:29 BanditX wrote:
I think the Brood War bias is rampant here. First, with Brood War waiting to be put down like a sick dog, the amount of money BW teams have to play with is completely up in the air. They aren't teams in the sense that Slayers is a team. BW teams are extensions of the companies who own them, and will exist as such only as long as they can be made profittable. Saying otherwise shows you have no understanding of business. And from what I've read, SC2 is not popular in Korea.

Secondly, what to do all the currently successful Korean SC2 pros have in common? They either win GSL, or they go play in foreign events. Guys like MMA bring in more bank from foreign tourneys than from GSL, thats for sure. Exactly how interested is KeSPA in the western scene? Because that is where all the money is at. Even GomTV is thriving off western money right now. KeSPA has been notoriously against letting their players play in other events.

Thirdly, GomTV has always had the full blessing of Blizzard Entertainment behind them. As long as GomTV successfully promotes SC2 in and out of Korea, I don't see that changing. It really helps that Gom is always more than willing to interact with the western audience and players. That alone assures that they will receive money from the people who like that. When was the last time we had a foriegn player in KeSPA?

I don't see KeSPA coming out on top. Not now. Not a year from now. Not ever again.


Every Kespa and GOM player says in a few months Kespa players will be more or less equal, to say nothing of how HotS will reset things.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 08 2012 07:33 GMT
#116
On August 08 2012 16:29 BanditX wrote:
And from what I've read, SC2 is not popular in Korea.


Reminds me of


However, Im not sure. Kespa said theyd send players overseas; and will have english casters when theyre running sc2 permanently.

I think itll pick up in korea, now that sc1 is over. People stay hooked to a certain player.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 07:35 GMT
#117
On August 08 2012 16:29 BanditX wrote:
Guys like MMA bring in more bank from foreign tourneys than from GSL, thats for sure.

actually, about 2/3rd of MMA's winnings are from GSL.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
August 08 2012 07:37 GMT
#118
On August 08 2012 15:49 eviltomahawk wrote:
Not surprising. It was even mentioned in one of the rumors threads.

Show nested quote +
-All Kespa-run proteams have agreed not to bring in any current SC2 progamers under Gretech for a year.


Also, this quote from the article is especially interesting.:

Show nested quote +
Any GSL players not included in the 25-player roster from the Federation as well as players qualified in the KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament (formerly known as the Courage Match) will be able to join KeSPA teams during its draft period.


So will this still mean that if a player purposely drops out of a team, it will be possible for them to join a KeSPA team? And I find this "KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament" intriguing considering that it's supposed to replace Courage.

Also:
Show nested quote +
Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them.


So it does seem that KeSPA is still sticking to its old Progamer license tradition, though with Code A being a qualifier for the time being. Would this be a requirement for playing in Proleague and OSL? Would it extend to the partnerships that the GSL teams and foreign teams have? And those professionalism seminars often have photos of progamers sleeping through them in the audience haha.

Given some of the crap that's gone on so far in SC2 in various ways, with lots of drama, having professionalism seminars isn't a bad idea.
HOLY CHECK!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 07:39 GMT
#119
On August 08 2012 16:37 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 15:49 eviltomahawk wrote:
Not surprising. It was even mentioned in one of the rumors threads.

-All Kespa-run proteams have agreed not to bring in any current SC2 progamers under Gretech for a year.


Also, this quote from the article is especially interesting.:

Any GSL players not included in the 25-player roster from the Federation as well as players qualified in the KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament (formerly known as the Courage Match) will be able to join KeSPA teams during its draft period.


So will this still mean that if a player purposely drops out of a team, it will be possible for them to join a KeSPA team? And I find this "KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament" intriguing considering that it's supposed to replace Courage.

Also:
Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them.


So it does seem that KeSPA is still sticking to its old Progamer license tradition, though with Code A being a qualifier for the time being. Would this be a requirement for playing in Proleague and OSL? Would it extend to the partnerships that the GSL teams and foreign teams have? And those professionalism seminars often have photos of progamers sleeping through them in the audience haha.

Given some of the crap that's gone on so far in SC2 in various ways, with lots of drama, having professionalism seminars isn't a bad idea.

Jessica needs a few PR classes that's for sure haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 08 2012 07:41 GMT
#120
Makes sense, KESPA would try anything to keep their league from going under, if they began swapping players between each league, one would become more interesting than the other.

However on that note im sure there will be many cross leagues between the two (GSL & KESPA) im pretty sure the next move will be a SC2 team league between the two companies. I think it's a good move
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#83
WardiTV642
OGKoka 253
Rex105
Liquipedia
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Ro16 Group C
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Afreeca ASL 22119
StarCastTV_EN741
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
09:00
SEL Doubles #1
CranKy Ducklings56
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko344
OGKoka 253
SortOf 141
Hui .120
Rex 105
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 14504
Sea 8342
BeSt 2762
EffOrt 993
ZerO 950
Mini 931
firebathero 761
Pusan 472
Stork 368
Soma 354
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 339
actioN 323
Rush 250
Hyun 228
Snow 211
hero 153
ToSsGirL 129
Larva 127
ggaemo 103
Killer 79
Sharp 54
Backho 48
Barracks 46
sSak 40
Sea.KH 37
JulyZerg 30
NaDa 26
Sexy 21
Shine 20
yabsab 20
SilentControl 18
Terrorterran 12
Hm[arnc] 12
GoRush 11
Bale 9
Noble 7
Icarus 4
eros_byul 1
Dota 2
Gorgc2643
League of Legends
Reynor73
Counter-Strike
x6flipin348
edward164
allub129
markeloff25
Other Games
singsing2096
B2W.Neo490
crisheroes217
Pyrionflax87
Mew2King54
ArmadaUGS24
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7034
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4944
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 351
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 86
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1235
Other Games
• WagamamaTV179
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 58m
RSL Revival
13h 58m
GSL
19h 58m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 58m
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
22h 58m
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Escore
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Universe Titan Cup
4 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.