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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 07:04:24
August 08 2012 06:51 GMT
#101
On August 08 2012 15:34 tsuxiit wrote:
Does anyone have a list of teams who are in the eSports Federation? Liquipedia is unhelpful on the matter.

I'm guessing there's no specific trade lock on teams not in the federation, though I'm sure KeSPA would love for there to be.

edit: According to this, the teams are:
Show nested quote +
Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, NSHoseo, FXO, and TSL
.

So not SlayerS, and no "foreign" teams besides FXO.

According to the article, even SlayerS is participating in this trade lock despite not being a Federation team.

This agreement prohibits KeSPA-affiliated teams to acquire players from eSports Federation (including SlayerS) until October 2013. Players affected by this agreement will be 25 players per each team's roster, and the Federation will periodically report 25 players in their roster to KeSPA. As per agreement, transfers will be possible regardless of the roster after October of next year.


Not sure about FXO, though. However, FXOBoSs tends to read through these forums sometimes, so he might show up sooner or later to hint at what FXO's stance on this is.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 06:53:22
August 08 2012 06:52 GMT
#102
i wonder if kespa will recruit players like ganzi, alive, crank, thestc or mc, etc considering they're not ESF haha
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Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 08 2012 06:53 GMT
#103
On August 08 2012 15:16 starception wrote:
Is it possible for some rich company like Microsoft or apple or maybe even a Team Blizzard to step in and buy the best/most famous from GOM and kespa? Like a team with DRG MKP mc MVP Taeja NesTea flash Jaedong Bisu Soulkey etc?


If that happen, then every GSTL,PL will be dominated by that team. And Also I think the scene will go down because now all the people who are new will just recognize this 1 team
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zerger420
Profile Joined April 2012
30 Posts
August 08 2012 06:56 GMT
#104
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
August 08 2012 07:00 GMT
#105
HOTS will be out long before this is up...don't really like it tbh...I thought they already had such an agreement, but to extend it this long seems a bit silly
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BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 08 2012 07:11 GMT
#106
is the reason why Clide is allowed to go to KT cause Slayers isnt a part of ESF?
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 08 2012 07:18 GMT
#107
On August 08 2012 15:53 Ace1123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 15:16 starception wrote:
Is it possible for some rich company like Microsoft or apple or maybe even a Team Blizzard to step in and buy the best/most famous from GOM and kespa? Like a team with DRG MKP mc MVP Taeja NesTea flash Jaedong Bisu Soulkey etc?


If that happen, then every GSTL,PL will be dominated by that team. And Also I think the scene will go down because now all the people who are new will just recognize this 1 team


That wouldn't happen in the first place.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 07:25:08
August 08 2012 07:21 GMT
#108
On August 08 2012 15:51 eviltomahawk wrote:
Not sure about FXO, though. However, FXOBoSs tends to read through these forums sometimes, so he might show up sooner or later to hint at what FXO's stance on this is.

pretty sure FXO is part of it
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1139241
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324841
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ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
August 08 2012 07:23 GMT
#109
Good move my opinion.
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Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 08 2012 07:25 GMT
#110
On August 08 2012 15:56 zerger420 wrote:
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.

HOTS will breathe life back into SC2;
And Dota2 will hurt LoL.


But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 08 2012 07:27 GMT
#111
On August 08 2012 16:25 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 15:56 zerger420 wrote:
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.

HOTS will breathe life back into SC2;
And Dota2 will hurt LoL.


But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas.



Mobas are good, like dota,dota2, But yeah i also hate lol.
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BanditX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 07:31:10
August 08 2012 07:29 GMT
#112
I think the Brood War bias is rampant here. First, with Brood War waiting to be put down like a sick dog, the amount of money BW teams have to play with is completely up in the air. They aren't teams in the sense that Slayers is a team. BW teams are extensions of the companies who own them, and will exist as such only as long as they can be made profittable. Saying otherwise shows you have no understanding of business. And from what I've read, SC2 is not popular in Korea.

Secondly, what to do all the currently successful Korean SC2 pros have in common? They either win GSL, or they go play in foreign events. Guys like MMA bring in more bank from foreign tourneys than from GSL, thats for sure. Exactly how interested is KeSPA in the western scene? Because that is where all the money is at. Even GomTV is thriving off western money right now. KeSPA has been notoriously against letting their players play in other events.

Thirdly, GomTV has always had the full blessing of Blizzard Entertainment behind them. As long as GomTV successfully promotes SC2 in and out of Korea, I don't see that changing. It really helps that Gom is always more than willing to interact with the western audience and players. That alone assures that they will receive money from the people who like that. When was the last time we had a foriegn player in KeSPA?

I don't see KeSPA coming out on top. Not now. Not a year from now. Not ever again.

Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 08 2012 07:29 GMT
#113
On August 08 2012 16:27 Ace1123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 16:25 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On August 08 2012 15:56 zerger420 wrote:
Isn't October 2013 a bit optomisitic? I imagine LoL will completely take over by then.

HOTS will breathe life back into SC2;
And Dota2 will hurt LoL.


But in either way, i hope to god not. I hate LoL and mobas.



Mobas are good, like dota,dota2, But yeah i also hate lol.

I cant stand mobas at all.
I cant stand any form of RPG where you have one character :/
ive never finished a single moba match, none the less a RPG. I havent even finished WoL campaign :p
I get bored
StarStrider
Profile Joined August 2011
United States689 Posts
August 08 2012 07:31 GMT
#114
I don't understand this lack of unity and compromise. Could someone explain the rift to me, the uneducated, please?
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 08 2012 07:32 GMT
#115
On August 08 2012 16:29 BanditX wrote:
I think the Brood War bias is rampant here. First, with Brood War waiting to be put down like a sick dog, the amount of money BW teams have to play with is completely up in the air. They aren't teams in the sense that Slayers is a team. BW teams are extensions of the companies who own them, and will exist as such only as long as they can be made profittable. Saying otherwise shows you have no understanding of business. And from what I've read, SC2 is not popular in Korea.

Secondly, what to do all the currently successful Korean SC2 pros have in common? They either win GSL, or they go play in foreign events. Guys like MMA bring in more bank from foreign tourneys than from GSL, thats for sure. Exactly how interested is KeSPA in the western scene? Because that is where all the money is at. Even GomTV is thriving off western money right now. KeSPA has been notoriously against letting their players play in other events.

Thirdly, GomTV has always had the full blessing of Blizzard Entertainment behind them. As long as GomTV successfully promotes SC2 in and out of Korea, I don't see that changing. It really helps that Gom is always more than willing to interact with the western audience and players. That alone assures that they will receive money from the people who like that. When was the last time we had a foriegn player in KeSPA?

I don't see KeSPA coming out on top. Not now. Not a year from now. Not ever again.


Every Kespa and GOM player says in a few months Kespa players will be more or less equal, to say nothing of how HotS will reset things.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 08 2012 07:33 GMT
#116
On August 08 2012 16:29 BanditX wrote:
And from what I've read, SC2 is not popular in Korea.


Reminds me of


However, Im not sure. Kespa said theyd send players overseas; and will have english casters when theyre running sc2 permanently.

I think itll pick up in korea, now that sc1 is over. People stay hooked to a certain player.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 07:35 GMT
#117
On August 08 2012 16:29 BanditX wrote:
Guys like MMA bring in more bank from foreign tourneys than from GSL, thats for sure.

actually, about 2/3rd of MMA's winnings are from GSL.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
August 08 2012 07:37 GMT
#118
On August 08 2012 15:49 eviltomahawk wrote:
Not surprising. It was even mentioned in one of the rumors threads.

Show nested quote +
-All Kespa-run proteams have agreed not to bring in any current SC2 progamers under Gretech for a year.


Also, this quote from the article is especially interesting.:

Show nested quote +
Any GSL players not included in the 25-player roster from the Federation as well as players qualified in the KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament (formerly known as the Courage Match) will be able to join KeSPA teams during its draft period.


So will this still mean that if a player purposely drops out of a team, it will be possible for them to join a KeSPA team? And I find this "KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament" intriguing considering that it's supposed to replace Courage.

Also:
Show nested quote +
Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them.


So it does seem that KeSPA is still sticking to its old Progamer license tradition, though with Code A being a qualifier for the time being. Would this be a requirement for playing in Proleague and OSL? Would it extend to the partnerships that the GSL teams and foreign teams have? And those professionalism seminars often have photos of progamers sleeping through them in the audience haha.

Given some of the crap that's gone on so far in SC2 in various ways, with lots of drama, having professionalism seminars isn't a bad idea.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 07:39 GMT
#119
On August 08 2012 16:37 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 15:49 eviltomahawk wrote:
Not surprising. It was even mentioned in one of the rumors threads.

-All Kespa-run proteams have agreed not to bring in any current SC2 progamers under Gretech for a year.


Also, this quote from the article is especially interesting.:

Any GSL players not included in the 25-player roster from the Federation as well as players qualified in the KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament (formerly known as the Courage Match) will be able to join KeSPA teams during its draft period.


So will this still mean that if a player purposely drops out of a team, it will be possible for them to join a KeSPA team? And I find this "KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament" intriguing considering that it's supposed to replace Courage.

Also:
Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them.


So it does seem that KeSPA is still sticking to its old Progamer license tradition, though with Code A being a qualifier for the time being. Would this be a requirement for playing in Proleague and OSL? Would it extend to the partnerships that the GSL teams and foreign teams have? And those professionalism seminars often have photos of progamers sleeping through them in the audience haha.

Given some of the crap that's gone on so far in SC2 in various ways, with lots of drama, having professionalism seminars isn't a bad idea.

Jessica needs a few PR classes that's for sure haha
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 08 2012 07:41 GMT
#120
Makes sense, KESPA would try anything to keep their league from going under, if they began swapping players between each league, one would become more interesting than the other.

However on that note im sure there will be many cross leagues between the two (GSL & KESPA) im pretty sure the next move will be a SC2 team league between the two companies. I think it's a good move
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