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On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong.
There is no way jaedong makes as much money now as he did back when he was able to win a tournament, or was on a team that had sponsors.
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On August 08 2012 14:55 Advantageous wrote: holy crap? 2013?! so after HotS comes out? and does this mean M18M's trade would be the only trade thats valid? His wasn't a trade, his military service ended and he wasn't on a team when LighT picked him up.
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On August 08 2012 14:51 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:50 Zenbrez wrote:On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong. So Jaedong would essentially have 32 personal sponsors, Seems fitting. Not really. He needs >50
IIRC
Flash ~$400,000 p.a
Jaedong ~$120,000 p.a
Bisu ~$200,000 p.a
That's just salary and excluding the actual trade price. KT and SKT also pay skilled veterans quite a lot even though they aren't in peak form. Bisu is still the highest paid in SKT even though its been years since his last individual tournament appearance, Oov got paid a huge sum of money for coaching, Nada was still being paid a lot even though he wasn't appearing on TV very much. This is a really good reason to stay on Proleague teams, you can be one of the highest paid players without winning a single tournament for years, you can also be old and bad and still get paid a lot, while GSL teams are picking up the scraps and relying on tournament winnings.
EG would need to sponsored by a company like Microsoft with millions of dollars of spare cash to burn to have that kind of money.
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That's so long :O So this means that they cannot acquire new players? or this just applies to trading between teams?
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Hmm, let me know if I understand the thinking behind this:
- Kespa teams has a lot of money and sponsors. But their players are not that hot in sc2 just yet. - GSL teams have less money, but the currently best sc2 players.
so with a free market:
- the kespa teams would buy the best sc2 players players from the GSL teams. - The GSL teams lose their sponsors, as they don't have any good players any longer. - the previous kespa players get demoted to B-team, or fired, and have to fight their way of from the bottom like everyone else.
So to protect the kespa players and the GSL teams, they do this lock until the GSL teams get better economy (DRONES ffs!!) and the kespa players can catch up in sc2 skill? Did I get that right?
Questions: 1) How will kespa teams keep their income? I guess the sponsors are leaving sc:bw now, and if the kespa players do not pick it up quick, they won't get more? 2) Transfers from kespa teams to GSL teams isn't really an issue then? They just blocked both ways to make it fair?
thanks.
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On August 08 2012 14:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:51 plasmidghost wrote:On August 08 2012 14:50 Zenbrez wrote:On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong. So Jaedong would essentially have 32 personal sponsors, Seems fitting. Not really. He needs >50 IIRC Flash ~$400,000 p.a Jaedong ~$120,000 p.a Bisu ~$200,000 p.a That's just salary and excluding the actual trade price. KT and SKT also pay skilled veterans quite a lot even though they aren't in peak form. Bisu is still the highest paid in SKT even though its been years since his last individual tournament appearance, Oov got paid a huge sum of money for coaching, Nada was still being paid a lot even though he wasn't appearing on TV very much. This is a really good reason to stay on Proleague teams, you can be one of the highest paid players without winning a single tournament for years, you can also be old and bad and still get paid a lot, while GSL teams are picking up the scraps and relying on tournament winnings. I wonder if those values will change with everyone switching to SC2 now, i.e. some getting less, like Bisu, who hasn't won any match in SC2, I think.
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On August 08 2012 14:56 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong. There is no way jaedong makes as much money now as he did back when he was able to win a tournament, or was on a team that had sponsors. Don't forget T8 has a sponsor now - Undefeated.
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Does anyone have any details on these Kespa progamer licenses? Are they essentially a contract? And if so, are there typical durations for these licenses? Are Kespa pros right now pretty much contracted to Kespa until October 2013?
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Honestly, this seems like it would help the Federation more than KeSPA. I imagine KeSPA players will be caught up by early-mid next year. Most of them will probably be competing at a good level by June at the latest. This allows time for KeSPA to make SC2 more popular in Korea, and give times for teams like TSL to find bigger sponsors from that popularity, if it actually becomes more popular. Those type of sponsorship deals probably take more time to set up than player transfers. And if those sponsors think they can just sponsor a KeSPA organization and that KeSPA organization will buy out Federation players they may be more likely to do that. Obviously I'm working off of assumptions, but I think they are fair enough.
I still think it seems longer than it needs to be, but I suppose taking longer and not risking killing teams/organizations is probably better than jumping the gun just so cross pollination can happen.
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On August 08 2012 15:01 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:56 hacklebeast wrote:On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong. There is no way jaedong makes as much money now as he did back when he was able to win a tournament, or was on a team that had sponsors. Don't forget T8 has a sponsor now - Undefeated.
Jaedong got ripped off while on Oz. For his success he was the most underpaid player by far. T8 even gave him a pay rise.
On August 08 2012 15:01 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:51 plasmidghost wrote:On August 08 2012 14:50 Zenbrez wrote:On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong. So Jaedong would essentially have 32 personal sponsors, Seems fitting. Not really. He needs >50 IIRC Flash ~$400,000 p.a Jaedong ~$120,000 p.a Bisu ~$200,000 p.a That's just salary and excluding the actual trade price. KT and SKT also pay skilled veterans quite a lot even though they aren't in peak form. Bisu is still the highest paid in SKT even though its been years since his last individual tournament appearance, Oov got paid a huge sum of money for coaching, Nada was still being paid a lot even though he wasn't appearing on TV very much. This is a really good reason to stay on Proleague teams, you can be one of the highest paid players without winning a single tournament for years, you can also be old and bad and still get paid a lot, while GSL teams are picking up the scraps and relying on tournament winnings. I wonder if those values will change with everyone switching to SC2 now, i.e. some getting less, like Bisu, who hasn't won any match in SC2, I think.
There may be a drop, but considering Nada was the highest paid progamer even just before he retired, I wouldn't be surprised if Bisu still got paid a lot more than the newbies.
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On August 08 2012 14:56 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote: No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then. Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.> Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal. EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors. Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea, getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure shouldn't be too much of a problem. If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team. It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong. There is no way jaedong makes as much money now as he did back when he was able to win a tournament, or was on a team that had sponsors.
nada was still making 250k/yr when he wasn't winning anything. JD prolly still has a sick contract.
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I think that a year sounds just fine, we all know that once Kespa takes over (and they will), everything is gonna be screwed up, and full of lame rules. That is what they're known for afterall.
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seems reasonable, nice :D
feels a bit long but time will fly by again ;;
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But players can still retire from KeSPA and join foreign teams, right ? I'm pretty sure that's what M18M just did.
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Now wait just a moment. Does the eSports Federation automatically include all teams in the GSTL? I remember that Slayers was the only major Korean team that wasn't part of the Federation, and I pretty sure that Liquid, EG, and Fnatic were not members before either. Are they members now?
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On August 08 2012 14:42 ShiroKaisen wrote:Show nested quote +"Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them." IMO this is the biggest news. Now anyone, including foreigners, who's been in A or S can have a Progamer License - something previously insanely difficult to get!
its actually pointless
back in the bw days, if you were GOOD ENOUGH to win the OSL finals, then it didnt matter if you were a foreigner and it was "hard to get a progamer license" you could easily get one and compete. But no one was good enough.
the truth is people like to try and say the kespa progamer license was something "stopping foreigners from becoming fruitful in bw".... thats not true. foreigners just werent good enough.
now foreigners ARE good enough, so they are making this slight change. but make no mistake this essentially doesnt really mean anything because even if they kept the old system players good enough to compete with the best would easily get progamer licenses regardless.
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Interesting. I do wish that team consolidation would happen quicker, but I understand why this will help both sides avoid nasty politics.
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Is it possible for some rich company like Microsoft or apple or maybe even a Team Blizzard to step in and buy the best/most famous from GOM and kespa? Like a team with DRG MKP mc MVP Taeja NesTea flash Jaedong Bisu Soulkey etc?
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