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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
August 09 2012 02:48 GMT
#281
On August 09 2012 09:54 jellyjello wrote:
Wow, a lot of you guys are missing the big picture here. Kespa is being unselfish and doing something that's good for the e-sports in Korea, for once. This also highlights the failure of GOM to market the SC2 inside Korea in the past two years.



I think they can see that if the GSL players all came over and the top BW players became uncompetitive we would see a huge decline in popularity, Kespa is trying to move all the BW fans onto SC2.
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cndaks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States95 Posts
August 09 2012 03:07 GMT
#282
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
cndaks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States95 Posts
August 09 2012 03:07 GMT
#283
wow... O_O
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
August 09 2012 05:04 GMT
#284
1: To those saying that that if a foreign team signed a Kespa player, GOM and Kespa would ban them from tournaments... guys, that would be fucking suicide. Lawsuits ahoy!

2: I promise you that EG could certainly afford Flash/JD whoever. Million dollar contracts? Hell fucking no.

3: This is basically collusion, and I really doubt it would be legal for organizations to do this, at least in the US. Think any major league sports in the US and Free Agency. Antitrust laws would make this really, really tenuous here. I don't know about Korean laws, of course.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 09 2012 07:01 GMT
#285
On August 09 2012 14:04 Zennith wrote:
2: I promise you that EG could certainly afford Flash/JD whoever. Million dollar contracts? Hell fucking no.
$300k a year? Cuz that's (the confirmed minimum!) Flash's salary since last year, if you didn't know.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 09 2012 07:03 GMT
#286
On August 09 2012 14:04 Zennith wrote:
1: To those saying that that if a foreign team signed a Kespa player, GOM and Kespa would ban them from tournaments... guys, that would be fucking suicide. Lawsuits ahoy!

2: I promise you that EG could certainly afford Flash/JD whoever. Million dollar contracts? Hell fucking no.

3: This is basically collusion, and I really doubt it would be legal for organizations to do this, at least in the US. Think any major league sports in the US and Free Agency. Antitrust laws would make this really, really tenuous here. I don't know about Korean laws, of course.


2. You really think EG could afford to pay 400k for flashes salary? Yeah right not unless they dropped their whole roster and even then maybe not lol.. I bet it's the same with Jaedong as well.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
August 09 2012 08:39 GMT
#287
hmmm so long... a lot can happen in that time..even 6 months would of been a long time!! still with HOTS coming out, I bet we will all be suprised how much of a even footing things will get... Cant wait! as long as they play many dual tournaments between them both!!!
Live and Let Die!
Kaos_StarCraft
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia92 Posts
August 09 2012 08:54 GMT
#288
"the Korean eSports Association (KeSPA) and eSports Federation cannot transfer players to each other."

What does this mean exactly?
We all know that even without any PR "agreements" like this KeSPA isn't going to allow one of their players to up and join a non-kespa team without shunning them in Korea.
And with foreigners soon to become irrelevant once the bw players have actually spent time in the game, the international scene will also become irrelevant. Meaning nobody is going anywhere, StarCraft is and will always be solely a Korean phenomenon.
krogdog101
Profile Joined May 2011
United States20 Posts
August 09 2012 16:14 GMT
#289
We all know the same stuff will happen once the lock is lifted. GSL players have 2+ years advantage. Do you really think KeSPA players are so good that they can make that up in months? KeSPA players should have started when it was released... too bad they were only focused on the short term.
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minilance
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 16:18:55
August 09 2012 16:17 GMT
#290
On August 10 2012 01:14 krogdog101 wrote:
We all know the same stuff will happen once the lock is lifted. GSL players have 2+ years advantage. Do you really think KeSPA players are so good that they can make that up in months? KeSPA players should have started when it was released... too bad they were only focused on the short term.


yes, Realty and Roro already won a series vs gsl player

ps. i'm a sc2 fan at first not a BW elitist, but i'm able to recognise their strenght
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5654 Posts
August 09 2012 16:33 GMT
#291
On August 10 2012 01:14 krogdog101 wrote:
We all know the same stuff will happen once the lock is lifted. GSL players have 2+ years advantage. Do you really think KeSPA players are so good that they can make that up in months? KeSPA players should have started when it was released... too bad they were only focused on the short term.


I think they can, but the title says Oct 2013.

And KeSPA was focused on the long term. Unfortunately, blizzard is focusing on the short term.
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
August 09 2012 18:16 GMT
#292
I just like how everyone ignores that this should be illegal. It's essentially collusion, restricting free agency.
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Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 18:26:59
August 09 2012 18:25 GMT
#293
Does this lock ALL forms of trading?

What if the managing body of both sides of the trade come to an agreement (where both are satisfied with the terms of the trade)?

Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure that United States laws have no jurisdiction, let alone account for e-Sports. MLB, NBA, sure.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
August 09 2012 18:30 GMT
#294
On August 09 2012 11:48 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 09:54 jellyjello wrote:
Wow, a lot of you guys are missing the big picture here. Kespa is being unselfish and doing something that's good for the e-sports in Korea, for once. This also highlights the failure of GOM to market the SC2 inside Korea in the past two years.



I think they can see that if the GSL players all came over and the top BW players became uncompetitive we would see a huge decline in popularity, Kespa is trying to move all the BW fans onto SC2.



lolol no.


Kespa teams could easily buy out any player they wanted to. You think they couldn't buy out the likes of Taeja, DRG, MKP, etc. with the possibility of making GSL grand prize per year in salary alone (not counting sponsorship, endorsements, prize money, performance bonus, etc.)?

This is more to protect GSL players more than anything, mainly because everybody knows that if a team like SK wanted to, they could easily buy out any GSL players they wanted to, essentially killing off GOMTV's talent pool.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 18:33:41
August 09 2012 18:32 GMT
#295
Kespa also understands that they will fail unless they can for the most part preserve the BW celebrities, and they need about a year probably before they are good enough to be at the very top of SC2. I support this wholeheartedly. If they went totally open now, the Jaedong, etc. fans would get disillusioned and their chance of BW fans transferring would greatly diminish.
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
August 09 2012 18:39 GMT
#296
I hope they won't renew the contract after Oct 2013.
I think it's for the better atm but after that it will only harm the teams\players at the feature.
Honestly we only want the best for the players and if a KeSPA team wants to hire them and the player wants it than why not?
As a MKP fan I will be happy if he will join a KeSPa teams because they got a lot better experience with training players.
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 09 2012 19:11 GMT
#297
On August 09 2012 14:04 Zennith wrote:
1: To those saying that that if a foreign team signed a Kespa player, GOM and Kespa would ban them from tournaments... guys, that would be fucking suicide. Lawsuits ahoy!

2: I promise you that EG could certainly afford Flash/JD whoever. Million dollar contracts? Hell fucking no.

3: This is basically collusion, and I really doubt it would be legal for organizations to do this, at least in the US. Think any major league sports in the US and Free Agency. Antitrust laws would make this really, really tenuous here. I don't know about Korean laws, of course.


What in the blue hell are you talking about lmao.
Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
August 09 2012 19:17 GMT
#298
On August 10 2012 04:11 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 14:04 Zennith wrote:
1: To those saying that that if a foreign team signed a Kespa player, GOM and Kespa would ban them from tournaments... guys, that would be fucking suicide. Lawsuits ahoy!

2: I promise you that EG could certainly afford Flash/JD whoever. Million dollar contracts? Hell fucking no.

3: This is basically collusion, and I really doubt it would be legal for organizations to do this, at least in the US. Think any major league sports in the US and Free Agency. Antitrust laws would make this really, really tenuous here. I don't know about Korean laws, of course.


What in the blue hell are you talking about lmao.



Uh, I'm saying that two organizations agreeing to restrict the rights of their players is (in the US) a violation of antitrust laws. I don't know about the Korean legal system, but all this does is essentially restrict the rights of the players who particpate in both GOM and KESPA. It hurts the players in favor of the larger organizations, which I'm pretty against on principle.

Bring on real Free Agency please.
Sentinel Gaming Competitive Team Manager | 1500+ points Masters Zerg | twitch.tv/zennith6
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
August 09 2012 19:31 GMT
#299
Wow 1 year+ is a long time O.O

I guess its a good thing tho,
it'd be a nightmare to see all the gsl-teams being crushed under the heavy-weight kespa teams (as far as funding goes) o.O
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IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
August 09 2012 19:44 GMT
#300
On August 10 2012 04:17 Zennith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 04:11 StarStruck wrote:
On August 09 2012 14:04 Zennith wrote:
1: To those saying that that if a foreign team signed a Kespa player, GOM and Kespa would ban them from tournaments... guys, that would be fucking suicide. Lawsuits ahoy!

2: I promise you that EG could certainly afford Flash/JD whoever. Million dollar contracts? Hell fucking no.

3: This is basically collusion, and I really doubt it would be legal for organizations to do this, at least in the US. Think any major league sports in the US and Free Agency. Antitrust laws would make this really, really tenuous here. I don't know about Korean laws, of course.


What in the blue hell are you talking about lmao.



Uh, I'm saying that two organizations agreeing to restrict the rights of their players is (in the US) a violation of antitrust laws. I don't know about the Korean legal system, but all this does is essentially restrict the rights of the players who particpate in both GOM and KESPA. It hurts the players in favor of the larger organizations, which I'm pretty against on principle.

Bring on real Free Agency please.


Well guess what, this isn't the US and this isn't part of the major league sports. Also most people would agree this is beneficial, which it is. GOM teams need sponsors and KeSPA teams need to catch up in skill.
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