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Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
August 08 2012 18:14 GMT
#241
So foreign teams don't count since they aren't in esf(save fxo).

What is stopping teams from using foriegn teams as a medium? Why can't a Kespa player go to a foreign team then an esf team?
Example: Let's say Jangbi wants to join Prime. Can't he join a foriegn team like EG (thus not being a Kespa player) and then join Prime?
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EagleShade
Profile Joined September 2011
United States42 Posts
August 08 2012 18:19 GMT
#242
I wonder how similar this situation and the future between eF and Kespa is to American Football or Major League Baseball. American Football and MLB both became what they are today due to different organizations merging and/or competing directly with each other to choose a "World Champion."

Just think of the possibility in just a few years there being a yearly event pitting the best of eF against the best of Kespa. It would be EPIC!
Yeah, I'm 30+, have a wife, kids, play SCII and watch eSports... So?!
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
August 08 2012 18:20 GMT
#243
Does this mean that foreign teams can still get koreans? If so they may have just cockblocked eachother and gave foreign teams a free pass.
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
August 08 2012 18:24 GMT
#244
On August 09 2012 03:14 Flossy wrote:
So foreign teams don't count since they aren't in esf(save fxo).

What is stopping teams from using foriegn teams as a medium? Why can't a Kespa player go to a foreign team then an esf team?
Example: Let's say Jangbi wants to join Prime. Can't he join a foriegn team like EG (thus not being a Kespa player) and then join Prime?


The rules aren't that retarded. Obviously shit will hit the fan if a stunt like that is pulled. Any players that were still playing for Kespa teams while the switch-over happened is not allowed on a foreign team until Oct 2013. You don't have to take it so literal.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Celimas
Profile Joined December 2010
United States75 Posts
August 08 2012 18:34 GMT
#245
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey
Fitzyhere | Catz | Stephano -- Foreign zergs fighting!!
Kreggar
Profile Joined September 2011
United States83 Posts
August 08 2012 18:39 GMT
#246
great move if the statement is to be fully believed, makes sense for all the right reasons. I'm also excited by the fact that we will have two Korean leagues to follow with different skill levels, it will be cool to see the Kespa players develop in their own environment.

For the Future of ESPORTS!!
StarCraft is the hardest, most beautiful game in the world.
smokeyhoodoo
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1021 Posts
August 08 2012 18:44 GMT
#247
Sounds like slavery.
There is no cow level
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
August 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#248
I am most impressed by KeSPa selling this solution to their Sponsors.

Think about it from their point of view. Why should a company like Samsung or SK Telecom literally pay millions a year for potentially sub-par players which might very well be replaced/sacked comes October.
What is in it for them?

From a purely business standpoint they should have done the exact opposite: buy the best GSL players, keep the few known figureheads from BW and bargain everybody's salary down ("SC2 is not big enough yet").

Imagine the next four OSL winners were all from IM or StarTale. People would be wearing their "Red Bull" and "LG" t-shirts and nobody would care about those second-rate "Samsung guys". How could you explain this to the CEO of Samsung?
"Well, we know you have invested millions into ESPORT over the years and that was very nice of you. But you see, we accepted this Gentleman's agreement. And that is why you will have to bear with your loss of publicity. Ok?"
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#249
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey

point 1. EG are merely a gaming clubs. KeSPA teams are big ass Korean corporations or even conglomerates who take their players to Hawaii for vacation. So plz no EG.[insert KeSPA player]. thats stupid
point 2. KeSPA buying (ex)GSL players will be them admitting defeat that their players suck. Thats not gonna happen
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:49:26
August 08 2012 18:49 GMT
#250
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey


lol... Sorry but foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa teams do, nor will Kespa players leave a Kespa team to join a foreign one out of pride.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 08 2012 18:50 GMT
#251
On August 09 2012 03:49 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey


lol... Sorry but foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa teams do, nor will Kespa players leave a Kespa team to join a foreign one out of pride.


I dunno bout the pride part but yeah soulkey makes more money on his korean team then he would on a foreign team. The kespa teams all get good salaries (the good players obviously, I believe the new players get like 10-12k a year salaries from what I read in a magazine a few years ago but dont' know if that's still true today).
When I think of something else, something will go here
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
August 08 2012 18:55 GMT
#252
Give the KeSPA players time to adjust sounds like a good idea. Sure most of them have the raw mechanical skill to become code-S champions but as we've seen this game is more about tactics and split-second decisions rather than mechanical mastery. I fully expect a few of the KeSPA players to emerge as "unbeatables" in a few months when they figure out the quirks in the game. With new "best player of race X" emerging and falling rather fast this says to me the game is still being figured out.
Don't be asshats
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 19:00:00
August 08 2012 18:59 GMT
#253
On August 09 2012 03:49 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey


lol... Sorry but foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa teams do, nor will Kespa players leave a Kespa team to join a foreign one out of pride.



Why not? I should think that a player like Huk or Idra makes more money, as salary, than 90% of the KeSPA players. But maybe you have sources that a lot of people doesn't have. After all Boxer had more salary (personal sponsorship) than Flash, I have read.

...And what has pride to do with it? This sounds like speculation or maybe wishful thinking.

If you could cite some sources to these claims I would be very grateful.
Seohyun fan
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 19:15:15
August 08 2012 19:14 GMT
#254
On August 09 2012 03:19 EagleShade wrote:
I wonder how similar this situation and the future between eF and Kespa is to American Football or Major League Baseball. American Football and MLB both became what they are today due to different organizations merging and/or competing directly with each other to choose a "World Champion."

Just think of the possibility in just a few years there being a yearly event pitting the best of eF against the best of Kespa. It would be EPIC!

I like to think of KeSPA and eSports Fed as the NFL and AFL (or their successor conferences NFC and AFC) of Starcraft. Now we just need a new team tournament for GSTL and PL teams to function as the SuperBowl of Starcraft.



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Celimas
Profile Joined December 2010
United States75 Posts
August 08 2012 19:15 GMT
#255
On August 09 2012 03:49 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey


lol... Sorry but foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa teams do, nor will Kespa players leave a Kespa team to join a foreign one out of pride.


Well, if foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa does, what about a Kespa team buying Taeja or Puma?
Fitzyhere | Catz | Stephano -- Foreign zergs fighting!!
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 08 2012 19:27 GMT
#256
seems to benefit the organizations/teams to the detriment of the players. any anti-competitive move like this should be disallowed.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
August 08 2012 19:30 GMT
#257
On August 09 2012 03:59 StatorFlux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:49 IcedBacon wrote:
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey


lol... Sorry but foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa teams do, nor will Kespa players leave a Kespa team to join a foreign one out of pride.



Why not? I should think that a player like Huk or Idra makes more money, as salary, than 90% of the KeSPA players. But maybe you have sources that a lot of people doesn't have. After all Boxer had more salary (personal sponsorship) than Flash, I have read.

...And what has pride to do with it? This sounds like speculation or maybe wishful thinking.

If you could cite some sources to these claims I would be very grateful.

Good luck marketing any Kespa player outside the top 10% more successfully that you would HuK or IdrA.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
August 08 2012 19:40 GMT
#258
On August 09 2012 03:59 StatorFlux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 03:49 IcedBacon wrote:
On August 09 2012 03:34 Celimas wrote:
As far as I can tell... EG can still buy the best KeSPA players or KeSPA teams can buy players like Taeja on foreign teams?

Can't wait for EG.Soulkey


lol... Sorry but foreign teams can't offer more than Kespa teams do, nor will Kespa players leave a Kespa team to join a foreign one out of pride.



Why not? I should think that a player like Huk or Idra makes more money, as salary, than 90% of the KeSPA players. But maybe you have sources that a lot of people doesn't have. After all Boxer had more salary (personal sponsorship) than Flash, I have read.

...And what has pride to do with it? This sounds like speculation or maybe wishful thinking.

If you could cite some sources to these claims I would be very grateful.


Never heard about Tossgirl crying when she lost to Idra? Koreans know they are the best and losing to foreigners is a big deal. So you can see how they probably prefer to train together rather than with foreigners on a foreign team. I don't get your point with Boxer, he made his fame and fortune as a KeSPA player.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
August 08 2012 19:42 GMT
#259
for now, i think the reasoning is to stop one organization from taking all of the talent while they are both establishing their role in korea through the next year
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
August 08 2012 19:42 GMT
#260
On August 08 2012 14:55 Advantageous wrote:
holy crap? 2013?! so after HotS comes out? and does this mean M18M's trade would be the only trade thats valid?


Wasn't he from Air Force? Didn't they disband?
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