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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
August 08 2012 16:19 GMT
#221
GSL players are basically losing out an entire year where they could make more money on a Kespa team. Given how quickly SC2 moves that is HUGE and you honestly have to wonder how much input players had in this decision. Sucks for the players and this is just delaying the inevitable where Kespa buys out the best players due to having more resources. There is going to be consolidation and they've just pushed the date back arbitrarily. Basically this has just bought the GSL teams until October 2013 to get to the level of Kespa teams resources. Good luck with that. I see 2-3 GSL teams surviving with good enough players and then being swallowed up by Kespa for a 10 team Proleague.

Let the countdown begin.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 08 2012 16:22 GMT
#222
WOW a full year and then some...
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
TheGGparadox
Profile Joined February 2012
United States37 Posts
August 08 2012 16:22 GMT
#223
So, to clarify, to play in the Kespa leagues without having previously been qualified for GSL, a player would have to play in a courage tournament like in BW?
EagleShade
Profile Joined September 2011
United States42 Posts
August 08 2012 16:23 GMT
#224
I think this is good for both sides. It keeps Kespa from buying out the eF's players and keeps the current Kespa players from being replaced by those bought-out eF players.

I'm cool with the time frame also. When HOTS comes out we are going to see a natural readjustment of the "top" players anyways as some will be better at HOTS than they are at WOL. The Kespa players will now have the entire year to learn HOTS while eF adjusts from WOL to HOTS.

I'm excited about the next year. It will be like Beta with new crazy strats and unexpected cheese on the pro level while the meta-game forms it's self (not as extreme as Beta, mind you). New pro players will emerge as they will be better at HOTS tactics and strats. This agreement will add much-needed stability to the "chaos" that HOTS will bring.
Yeah, I'm 30+, have a wife, kids, play SCII and watch eSports... So?!
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
August 08 2012 16:29 GMT
#225
It really shows the power of Kespa and their ability to negotiate. Iron Fist indeed.
Logic is Overrated
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
August 08 2012 16:33 GMT
#226
Well, it seems to be a good idea, but the eSport Federation is mainly composed by korean teams, right ? So, is a draft or stuff like that between a Kespa team and a foreign team is possible ?

Plus, somehting that I absolutely dislike is the licence stuff. Basically, Kespa is like "well, your players have been playing at a very high level for 2 years, but for us they're not professionnal players, even if they're under contracts". I do feel that eSport Federation has been screwed on this :/
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
August 08 2012 16:51 GMT
#227
On August 09 2012 01:19 Hrrrrm wrote:
Basically this has just bought the GSL teams until October 2013 to get to the level of Kespa teams resources. Good luck with that. I see 2-3 GSL teams surviving with good enough players and then being swallowed up by Kespa for a 10 team Proleague.


It goes both ways. It also gives the Kespa teams time to catch up in skill to the GSL teams. Think of it this way. Kespa teams want time to see what they have as far as SC2 talent on their teams so they do not get rid of potential great players for the sake of signing big name GSL players. GSL teams want to catch up in sponsorships to that of Kespa teams so they don't lose their already great players. Allowing programer licenses goes a long way towards that.

A years timeframe gives both enough time to do this. It's really a mutually beneficial relationship. As a bonus, those of us who enjoy the team aspect of SC2 get to root on our teams with their current players. Wins all around I say.
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SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
August 08 2012 17:09 GMT
#228
Hm..I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it's a good thing...
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cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
August 08 2012 17:11 GMT
#229
So Flash will still be KT_Flash, amirite?
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 08 2012 17:15 GMT
#230
On August 09 2012 02:11 cLAN.Anax wrote:
So Flash will still be KT_Flash, amirite?

Flash will probably be KT_Flash till the day KT Rolster die or when Flash himself retire.
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
August 08 2012 17:16 GMT
#231
Damn thats a sick long time
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 17:20:05
August 08 2012 17:19 GMT
#232
protect both players and the leagues

More to be said?
The curse is real
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
August 08 2012 17:27 GMT
#233
Mhm, interesting, i didnt even think that this would happen, but i guess some sort of protection makes sense
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 17:31:39
August 08 2012 17:30 GMT
#234
On August 09 2012 01:22 TheGGparadox wrote:
So, to clarify, to play in the Kespa leagues without having previously been qualified for GSL, a player would have to play in a courage tournament like in BW?
edit: Oh, you mean without ever been in GSL? Then yes.

But for those who've been in the GSL, from the article:

"Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them."

So most likely all legitimately good GSL players are going to get Kespa licence without any additional effort, except making an application and participating in a Kespa seminar for professional etiquette.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 08 2012 17:31 GMT
#235
On August 09 2012 02:30 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 01:22 TheGGparadox wrote:
So, to clarify, to play in the Kespa leagues without having previously been qualified for GSL, a player would have to play in a courage tournament like in BW?
From the article:

"Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them."

So no, most likely all legitimately good GSL players are going to get Kespa licence without any additional effort, except making an application and participating in a Kespa seminar for professional etiquette.


That's not what he asked. He asked about player who without having previously been qualified for GSL.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 08 2012 17:36 GMT
#236
On August 09 2012 02:31 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 02:30 figq wrote:
On August 09 2012 01:22 TheGGparadox wrote:
So, to clarify, to play in the Kespa leagues without having previously been qualified for GSL, a player would have to play in a courage tournament like in BW?
From the article:

"Meanwhile, a pro gamer license given by KeSPA will be distributed to current StarCraft 2 players. Any players previously qualified in GSL Code S and Code A can opt to apply for Progamer status, and once the required professionalism seminars are completed, a Progamer license for StarCraft 2 will be awarded to them."

So no, most likely all legitimately good GSL players are going to get Kespa licence without any additional effort, except making an application and participating in a Kespa seminar for professional etiquette.


That's not what he asked. He asked about player who without having previously been qualified for GSL.
Saw it right after posting, and edited, thanks.

Interesting follow-up would be - shouldn't Courage = Code A preliminary, so shouldn't GOM give advantage for Code A to players who've won a Kespa courage in SC2?
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 08 2012 17:46 GMT
#237
This seems way too long a time... In a few months we'll see Kespa players participating in GSL and we see a mixed OSL already, so why keep the teams artificially separated? I could understand keeping it separate until Hots is out to give some time to sort everything out, but so long?
Get off my lawn, young punks
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 17:57:57
August 08 2012 17:56 GMT
#238
On August 09 2012 02:46 ACrow wrote:
This seems way too long a time... In a few months we'll see Kespa players participating in GSL and we see a mixed OSL already, so why keep the teams artificially separated? I could understand keeping it separate until Hots is out to give some time to sort everything out, but so long?


As it's already been stated plenty of times throughout the thread.. Kespa players need the comfort that their jobs are safe as they train and catch up in skill with the GSL players while GSL teams need time to acquire some serious sponsorships so they can compete with the funding Kespa teams have. It's a solid mutually beneficial agreement.

Also I don't think most the fans want teams to start mixing already. The 'Kespa players vs E-sports federation players' dynamic is sure to attract more viewers.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:02:11
August 08 2012 18:02 GMT
#239
Aw yes, Korea's famous antitrust laws at work. How can a country have so little respect for fair competition
"En taro adun, Executor."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 08 2012 18:06 GMT
#240
Wow that's such a long time O_o. I guess they dont want KeSPA teams sniping all the top players though since they have more money I assume?
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