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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
August 08 2012 08:35 GMT
#141
Uh, I understand that it can be very beneficial in some ways.

But damn that's just such a crazy long time. And I mean there are a couple folks making decisions for a lot of players now...

WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 08 2012 08:37 GMT
#142
On August 08 2012 17:24 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 17:18 opterown wrote:
On August 08 2012 17:16 Iplaythings wrote:
But please tell me who a player who is in a similar position to M18M, because I doubt the lower pack of the KeSPA progamers get much more than free food and a place to stay for their efforts

Really? Don't they all get a decent salary?
If not, then kespa is not that much more well off than some of the gom teams. Hrmm.

The top players on the team do, but all the practice partners and B-teamers get frighteningly little.

When Action played for eSTRO he didnt have a salary at all despite being their best or second best player - that's the reality of progaming in Korea, unless you are at the top of the pack you won't make anything CLOSE to flash's salary.

Take, I wouldn't bad that suprised if the EG guys get more than someone like Snow (middle pack player)

Dude, Action not getting paid in _eSTRO_ is not the reality of progaming in Korea. They were fucking poor as hell, I don't think they even had a maid? IIRC when Ret was there he had to clean the dishes and stuff because he was the lowest ranked player inhouse or something like that?
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Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 08 2012 08:39 GMT
#143
On August 08 2012 17:35 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Uh, I understand that it can be very beneficial in some ways.

But damn that's just such a crazy long time. And I mean there are a couple folks making decisions for a lot of players now...


This.

New game, new slate.

What can they really do if some of these guys ''retire'' in bw and then just go play sc2 on their own and perhaps get picked up by foreign teams etc? I very much doubt that a prior bw contract would have something against that in it.
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tiaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden231 Posts
August 08 2012 08:41 GMT
#144
I think this is a very good decision for everyone. I hope one day the scene will be massive and truly colaborative and the game develops into a direction where it actually can compare with the competetiveness of bw.

GLHF!!
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
August 08 2012 08:42 GMT
#145
What if someone quits an eSports Fed. team, and gets picked up by a KeSPA team after?
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 08 2012 08:47 GMT
#146
On August 08 2012 17:37 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 17:24 Iplaythings wrote:
On August 08 2012 17:18 opterown wrote:
On August 08 2012 17:16 Iplaythings wrote:
But please tell me who a player who is in a similar position to M18M, because I doubt the lower pack of the KeSPA progamers get much more than free food and a place to stay for their efforts

Really? Don't they all get a decent salary?
If not, then kespa is not that much more well off than some of the gom teams. Hrmm.

The top players on the team do, but all the practice partners and B-teamers get frighteningly little.

When Action played for eSTRO he didnt have a salary at all despite being their best or second best player - that's the reality of progaming in Korea, unless you are at the top of the pack you won't make anything CLOSE to flash's salary.

Take, I wouldn't bad that suprised if the EG guys get more than someone like Snow (middle pack player)

Dude, Action not getting paid in _eSTRO_ is not the reality of progaming in Korea. They were fucking poor as hell, I don't think they even had a maid? IIRC when Ret was there he had to clean the dishes and stuff because he was the lowest ranked player inhouse or something like that?

The dishwashing is just normal for newer players in the team, Flash even had to do that when they first arrived at the team.. That is just part of the culture in the team that the newbies get the chores.. I don't know if it also has something to do with "in-house ranking" etc..
I'm just mentioning Action because other players on eSTRO had a salary
And I bet you that the B-teamers are getting close to nothing which is a really sad reality of progaming, I doubt it functions that way in foreign teams since their practice partners is an online ladder system, if KeSPA players had it their way they wouldn't practice on the ladder but only inhouse and KeSPA team to KeSPA team practice (like, KT Rolster is known to practice alot with Wongjin Stars)
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Vento7
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil45 Posts
August 08 2012 08:48 GMT
#147
On August 08 2012 17:42 Azera wrote:
What if someone quits an eSports Fed. team, and gets picked up by a KeSPA team after?

Free agents don't seem to be affected by this. For instance, I think Crank could join a KeSPA team. Of course, if there's nothing like a "gentlemen's agreement" besides what have been signed.
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
August 08 2012 08:57 GMT
#148
On August 08 2012 14:27 EtherealDeath wrote:
Hmm so what about
1) Leaving a GSTL team, being teamless for a while, then joining a kespa team (as opposed to direct transfer), or
2) Join a foreign team, contract ends after a few months, join kespa team
3) Go teamless, get a personal sponsor for a while, join kespa team

And the other way around as well.

Or does it mean the moment you get slapped with the GSTL tag, you can't join a Kespa team regardless, even if you leave the team in the meanwhile?


I'm assuming that Kespa teams just won't sign non-kespa players and the ESF teams won't sign Kespa or former Kespa players.
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Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 09:06:14
August 08 2012 09:04 GMT
#149
This protects KeSPA players and eSports Federation's teams, because eF's players do better yet are cheaper, and KeSPA's teams can spend way more.

(stating the obvious)

But I think it's too much, I believe that after HotS skill levels will even out.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 08 2012 09:06 GMT
#150
On August 08 2012 17:57 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 14:27 EtherealDeath wrote:
Hmm so what about
1) Leaving a GSTL team, being teamless for a while, then joining a kespa team (as opposed to direct transfer), or
2) Join a foreign team, contract ends after a few months, join kespa team
3) Go teamless, get a personal sponsor for a while, join kespa team

And the other way around as well.

Or does it mean the moment you get slapped with the GSTL tag, you can't join a Kespa team regardless, even if you leave the team in the meanwhile?


I'm assuming that Kespa teams just won't sign non-kespa players and the ESF teams won't sign Kespa or former Kespa players.

Perhaps. I think in the ROOT.MajOr announcement, Catz claimed that MajOr tried to get onto a KeSPA team but couldn't.

Nevertheless, I wonder what they're going to do with discharged Ace players.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
August 08 2012 09:08 GMT
#151
This is good news. Now we wont have a massive buyout of current sc2 pros and dumping of bw pros
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 09:11:06
August 08 2012 09:10 GMT
#152
On August 08 2012 18:06 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 17:57 Yonnua wrote:
On August 08 2012 14:27 EtherealDeath wrote:
Hmm so what about
1) Leaving a GSTL team, being teamless for a while, then joining a kespa team (as opposed to direct transfer), or
2) Join a foreign team, contract ends after a few months, join kespa team
3) Go teamless, get a personal sponsor for a while, join kespa team

And the other way around as well.

Or does it mean the moment you get slapped with the GSTL tag, you can't join a Kespa team regardless, even if you leave the team in the meanwhile?


I'm assuming that Kespa teams just won't sign non-kespa players and the ESF teams won't sign Kespa or former Kespa players.

Perhaps. I think in the ROOT.MajOr announcement, Catz claimed that MajOr tried to get onto a KeSPA team but couldn't.

Nevertheless, I wonder what they're going to do with discharged Ace players.


in M18M you see its possible they join foreign teams and perhaps they can decide where to go
the thing is also more a "buyout" protection, i guess if someone finished his contract and NOT want stay there anymore he find a way
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
August 08 2012 09:13 GMT
#153
On August 08 2012 17:05 Iplaythings wrote:
I mean there is even too many teams now as it is, when the merging happens I see some KeSPA and some Gom teams dying and I don't even think that it is a bad thing as it will stiffen competition and will make us viewers have higher quality games (you could argue that this doesn't benefit the players but the best players and rolemodels should have first priority in my head).

Well obviously for the lesser sponsored GOM teams e.g. HoSeo fans this contract is a good thing. Imagine if there was a possibility of Flash and other KT players being poached and it eventually shutting down. Sure, they'll all still play but it's just not the same anymore as a fan. Unless you were more of a fan of individuals than teams from the start.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 08 2012 09:20 GMT
#154
Hmm, i am curious how the license works with the current seeding system.
Seems quite unfair if you get one from a seed.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 08 2012 09:27 GMT
#155
Makes sense, saves GOM. Curious how sponsors will look when this ends, considering this is a lengthy amount of time. Sponsors haven't really been rolling in unless you're IM.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 08 2012 09:28 GMT
#156
I really hope all of the players were informed well ahead of time. Knowing Kespa though, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't say anything to the players.
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Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
August 08 2012 09:38 GMT
#157
Oh, KeSPA and their rules and regulations.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 08 2012 09:43 GMT
#158
On August 08 2012 18:38 Mouzone wrote:
Oh, KeSPA and their rules and regulations.

Ye because validating progaming in their country is bad.

You cant validate anything without rules and regulations.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 08 2012 09:51 GMT
#159
2013. October 2013. That is ages from now.
I had a good night of sleep.
Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
August 08 2012 10:01 GMT
#160
On August 08 2012 14:48 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 14:43 Lokerek wrote:
On August 08 2012 14:33 snafoo wrote:
On August 08 2012 14:31 figq wrote:
No EG.Flash vs Liquid`Jaedong anytime soon then.


Hint: they probably couldn't afford them anyway >.>


Flash maybe but EG.Jaedong doesn't seem too unreal.

EG loves hype and they excel at promoting their sponsors.

Just think how Jaedong is popular outside of Korea,
getting extra money from sponsors for that kind of exposure
shouldn't be too much of a problem.


If EG wanted Jaedong, they'd have to cut their entire team.

It would literally be Scoots and Jaedong.


Would still be the strongest foreign team!
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