EPTTLPD Winrates May 2012 - Page 49
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:34 [Azn]Nada wrote: LOL punning gold XDDDDD Did other people not catch this? Everyone is lacking good humor, the atmosphere in this thread makes Blasty sad =( | ||
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teamhozac
404 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:54 bucckevin wrote: Because the queen shouldn't be a good at everything unit. If you don't want to be infinitely kited, you should be forced to make units, roaches or speedling. Zergs need queens anyways to macro so making them good at defending every thing terran can throw at them early game has completely killed TvZ. TvZ was all about punishing the zerg for droning too hard so that his economy doesn't explode, forcing him to make units. As Crota once said "Zerg pretty much has a hall pass to drone up to 80 nowadays" | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:31 teamhozac wrote: As Crota once said "Zerg pretty much has a hall pass to drone up to 80 nowadays" There are Zerg players who would have you believe this is necessary for Zerg to compete, since some noobs still think Zerg units are weak. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:31 teamhozac wrote: As Crota once said "Zerg pretty much has a hall pass to drone up to 80 nowadays" I can get what he means but what exactly is a hall pass. | ||
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teamhozac
404 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:36 Blasterion wrote: I can get what he means but what exactly is a hall pass. Here in America, when youre in school (little children age) and you need to go to the bathroom, or go to the admin office, you get a "hall pass" from your teacher and that way if youre caught in the hall (or zerg caught with just drones and no defense) you have your hall pass so you dont get in trouble (and zerg has their queens/better scouting/early aggression nerfs to terran) | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
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InsaniaK
Sweden120 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:52 Biggun69 wrote: Lol, terran dominate for the entirety of sc2 in TvZ and now that zerg are having a few months of good % winrate in that match up doesn't mean we should be qqing. Terrans will find a way to adapt don't worry. And what was zerg doing during that period? QQing, I don't see any reason for terrans not to QQ now. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:45 teamhozac wrote: Here in America, when youre in school (little children age) and you need to go to the bathroom, or go to the admin office, you get a "hall pass" from your teacher and that way if youre caught in the hall (or zerg caught with just drones and no defense) you have your hall pass so you dont get in trouble (and zerg has their queens/better scouting/early aggression nerfs to terran) That's pretty cool we never had stuff like that here though back then we'd just ask for permission and go. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 17 2012 09:06 Blasterion wrote: That's pretty cool we never had stuff like that here though back then we'd just ask for permission and go. Yeah, in America, we name "permission" hall pass, so.... | ||
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tx.zyclon
United States145 Posts
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Poehalcho
149 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:52 Biggun69 wrote: Lol, terran dominate for the entirety of sc2 in TvZ and now that zerg are having a few months of good % winrate in that match up doesn't mean we should be qqing. Terrans will find a way to adapt don't worry. No offence, but with all the nerfs we've had so far... That's what terrans have been doing for about 2 years already. Now after the billionth nerf (or buff for the others >__>) has hit, we're desperately starting to run low on units we can run to for survival. We can't snipe, we can't burn, we can't gun down, we can't blow up nor stampede with mech. We've got nuts. NOTHING. we can't expand faster, we can't attack, nor can we defend anymore. A zerg can get enough banelings for a safe win faster than a terran can get the tanks he needs to shoot them all down. It's become absolutely ridiculous. My MMR dropped from high plat/low Dia to barely winning against silver. I've lost basically all of my last 30 TvZ's. I even lost to a fucking zerg that thought I was a protoss ffs. That's like two and a half leagues lower because of a single buff. How is that balanced?!? These patches hit the lower leagues way harder than the top. Top players can often just muscle through with micro but we can't. Even worse is the fact that Z now seems to occupy about 60% of the ladder. 30% toss and maybe 10% terran. Toss isn't particularly great either. The upgrades buff and obs buff were overkill. How is it fair that toss gets faster, cheapers upgrades when they don't even have tech paths. And I've never even heard anybody whine about toss scouting. They had illusion phoenix and obs weren't hard to get at all... | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On June 17 2012 09:39 tx.zyclon wrote: Queen buff was definitely quality. However, it will even out shortly with terrans always adapting Well adapting is something we been great at, but sooner or later we'll run out of options. let's hope this is the last of it. | ||
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uzushould
Austria122 Posts
which forces the terran player into some kind of 1 rax or cc first opening, while the zerg will instantly see it with his overlord (not even needs to sacrifice it on most maps) and then zerg will just press the drone button like a BOSS, and after like 9 mins in the game,.just before the first real pushes from a fast expanding terran can come, the zerg will be ahead about 15 or 20 workers most of the time. As well the harassment vs zerg needs to be by far more cost effective then against terran or toss, because once u go for like 2-3 cloaked banshee, a good zerg will just know that this delays every possible timing push for at least 2 more minutes, which means it gives him 2 more minutes to produce only drones, so even if ur banshees force like 3 spore and 2 queens and kills about 5 workes, the zerg will be even more ahead in economy after, because he just insta builds like 20 drones as soon as he sees ur 3 cloaked banshees, if hes smart. as well i think, zerg was allways the race with the biggest potential cuz ur so flexible, and now where zergs just figured out everything the opponent can do and are very good at timings + better scouting possibilitys + bigger maps, the zergs know exactly how much drones they can produce without getting caught with their pants down | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
loled. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
I have to agree with that, I didn't get it either. Terran=Rax=>Factory=>Port ---------------------------//=>Robo=>Bay Protoss=Gate=>Core=Citadel=Archives ----------------------------\\=>Star=>Beacon --------------------------------------//=>Spire===//==>Greater Zerg=>Hatch=>Pool=>Lair=>Nest=>Hive=>Cavern ------------ \\=>Warren------\\=>Den No matter how you look at it Terran is the one without tech paths. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:57 Blyadischa wrote: Every single top terran has been openly saying that terran is the weakest race now, and it's true Just wait for HoTS imo. WoL is so far screwed up in the balance department that it's basically a joke. | ||
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uzushould
Austria122 Posts
On June 17 2012 10:55 Blasterion wrote: I have to agree with that, I didn't get it either. Terran=Rax=>Factory=>Port ---------------------------//=>Robo=>Bay Protoss=Gate=>Core=Citadel=Archives ----------------------------\\=>Star=>Beacon --------------------------------------//=>Spire===//==>Greater Zerg=>Hatch=>Pool=>Lair=>Nest=>Hive=>Cavern ------------ \\=>Warren------\\=>Den No matter how you look at it Terran is the one without tech paths. wow ur obviosly either totally retarded or a terrible noob knowing nothing about this game, because there are also armory ghost and fusion core as well as required techlabs which u have to add on in your oh so clever schedule User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On June 17 2012 11:39 Advocado wrote: queen buff tipped the balance in tvz it seems, but I still think the hellion opener was borderline op before. Considering how little was invested into the hellions and how powerful they were for minerals only they were making the game stale. Zergs was playing pretty blind at times before the overlord speed buff/queen buff. Perhaps both was not needed. Maybe theyll bring back the old blue flame? It was not OP, zergs just couldn't have cared less about trying to gain map control, only massing drones. With both of these new changes now zergs CAN mass drones without having to worry about any sort of map control or threat whatsoever. It's fine though players like MVP will still find ways to win at the gsl, he is just too smart. No matter how hard Blizzard nerfs terran the korean players still find ways to win lol. | ||
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