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On June 06 2012 17:08 hoivenmayven wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:01 goste wrote:
Interesting thought...
Perhaps Blizzard are aware of this chap hacking and are going to publicly deal with him upon arrival to the event.
It is not a criminal offence to break an EULA, but they can sue your ass. And what better way to corner a known hacker than by paying for him to walk up to the gallows and tie the noose himself.
I can envision it now... "And please welcome to the stage; Zack! And now lets talk to Zack for the pre match interview: here are your court orders, you're served, son". Epic moment in e-Sports history! Kid gets sued for millions because he hacked in a game! Pretty effective deterrent if you ask me! ... Cost of plane ticket and hotel <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< cost of attorneys retained by a major company Nobody in their right mind would sink thousands into sueing a tween for violating the terms of service of their video game ... With the exception of the RIAA or MPAA of course ...
you are missing the point here. it is a lot cheaper to fly the kid to them than it is to fly a bunch of suits out there to serve him. plus they can sue him under american law there (i don't even know where he is from, nor do I care).
And you forget that we are dealing, not with Blizzard here, but Activillain. Ahem... Activision.
I am also aware of the costs that Blizzard will put into protecting their product... it involves several PIs, and multiple lawyers. All for one 17 year old kid who happened to live down the road from me who was making hacks for World of Warcraft back in the classic beta.
So yeah.. I wouldn't put it past them. But it is highly unlikely too.
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On June 06 2012 17:30 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:25 terran0330 wrote:On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote:
First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim? Is victim really the right word to use? don't mind that guy, he was just yesterday braging in "season7 lock" thread how he's bored of having 1500pts and expects promotion to GM, and then somebody looked him up and turns out he's just another mid-masters player so no wonder liar defends liars...
I have 1530 points with 65 bonus pool, that's almost 1600 points together:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/484607/1/NOMAdonminus/ladder/85885#current-rank
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Be very careful guys im going to suggest something now which i dont think cheating thickos have the mental capability to work this out.
DONT SPAM HIM LIKE THIS. Please. Let the cheaters go to the event and NOTHING happen to them. Theyll get knocked out.
Heres my Point though.
He could have grounds to say. Blizzard invited me cos they know i cheat and TL/Blizz forums have made me a hate figure and now my life is over. YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE
The hatered now is already documented in video/text and as you can see the people in the game know this. the one word here is COMPENSATION. You guys are going to make him rich for the rest of his life.
if you cant see my point here then you have got somone laughing at the other side of his face at the expense of a f£$%^ing game. Please this thread needs to be deleted and we must never speak of these people again.
Its my opinion blizzard have invited him cos they know and . . . well . . . niche gamer communities are pretty hardcore to say the least. Please guys delete this thread before he reads this . . hes probably reading EVERY single post though
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I just cant belive this. I fully agree with SniXSniPe that he does not deserve a fullpaid trip + hotelroom for hacking.
As he said others work really hard to get such and he just turns on his hack.
Its a pitty that blizzard invites this player because this guy does not deserve such achivement!
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Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it.
But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire.
I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
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On June 06 2012 17:44 Adonminus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:30 snailz wrote:On June 06 2012 17:25 terran0330 wrote:On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote:
First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim? Is victim really the right word to use? don't mind that guy, he was just yesterday braging in "season7 lock" thread how he's bored of having 1500pts and expects promotion to GM, and then somebody looked him up and turns out he's just another mid-masters player so no wonder liar defends liars... I have 1530 points with 65 bonus pool, that's almost 1600 points together: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/484607/1/NOMAdonminus/ladder/85885#current-rank
my apologies then, i was refering to
http://i.imgur.com/btiV2.png
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On June 06 2012 17:34 Ogww wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote:
First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim? It's funny how you use the word victim. By your logic Osama Bin Laden, Joseph Fritzl and Adolf Hitler would also be "victims"? I didn't watch any of the Spades, Impa or Zack replays and you can never be 100% sure of people hacking, but the opinions and reasoning of professional players and the behavior of Spades in Spades-case convinces me about hacking. No love for hackers
In a certain way they are victims, emm.. ok they aren't... Anyway, it doesn't bring anything important to this discussion.
Let me try to explain it in the other way around. Let's imagine that tomorrow, I'll make a new account on TL under an other IP address and post some replays of a pro which have been faked or just accuse some luck based decision of the pro as maphacking, and not only 1 replay, but a series of replays that I have studied and analysed. Once I have done that, I will accuse all the luck based moments as hacking, this will lead to a 100-200 page discussion ruining the pro's carrier before you actually figure out that it's fake and he's not guilty of hacking. For now you have been lucky with getting 3 hackers, but tomorrow you might ruin the carrier of an innocent and fair pro.
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I dont think ppl at blizz knew he was hacking coz tey would've banned him. And they made a huuuge mistake. You should just stigmatize him if he ever goes to mlg this weekend, and also catch it on camera. Kidnap him or something then post it on a site: "known hacker had the guts to show his face at lan. we made sure and cut it out ^_^" Obviously j/k  )
Just let him be and beat his ass at the game.
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I'm hoping that there is at least one nerd going to Anaheim who has the moxy to walk up to this kid and give him a "where's the hax?" shrug
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Need one of those comic post-it notes on his back saying "I'm a maphacker, kick me"
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On June 06 2012 08:04 QuanticIllusion wrote:
I knew something was fishy bout him..
Atleast he can't hack on lan without getting owned by blizzard ~_~
Actually, yes. There was a situation some time ago, not blizzard tournament, but MLG in World of Warcraft, but in WoW tournaments then, blizzard was represented because they were hosting the servers.
There was a guy, who had a macro that basically sent so much information from his mac address that it would DC him, which he did in a game. Not going to say the name, don't want to cause drama, just to point out that hackers have been spotted at tournaments and they haven't done anything about it. If you investigate into it, you will probably figure out who it is.
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On June 06 2012 17:51 Anvil666 wrote:
Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it.
But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire.
I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
Exactly.. and until the admins start trying to curb this behavior by closing such threads, its almost as if they condone the behavior. This is going to keep happening unless they take a stance on it. Doing nothing about it is basically saying this irrational mobbing of potential hackers is fine... I'll be disappointed in TL if this is allowed to continue because it's not fair to the accused and I think it's damaging the scene.
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On June 06 2012 17:51 Anvil666 wrote:
Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it.
But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire.
I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
That's what I've been saying for a couple of days now, but I've gotten responses like "omg troll, haha, u defend teh hackz, but there's evidence!!"
It's a shame.
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On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote:
First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim?
Zack and Impa are pretty obviously hackers, and deserve to be ostracised from the community. No victims there. It's justice.
On June 06 2012 17:15 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote:
another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers Correction; an obvious hacker, not another. This is the first time anyone has presented definitive proof to back up their accusations.
No, it's not, go read the "GM maphackers growing: Impa" thread. Plenty of people being outed for being hackers with definitive proof.
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On June 06 2012 18:31 goiflin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:17 Adonminus wrote:
First Impa, then Spades, now Zack. Who will be our next victim? Zack and Impa are pretty obviously hackers, and deserve to be ostracised from the community. No victims there. It's justice. Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 17:15 toiletCAT wrote:On June 06 2012 17:10 mememolly wrote:
another obvious hacker, good job OP, it's nice to see people in the community going out of there way to catch and document these losers Correction; an obvious hacker, not another. This is the first time anyone has presented definitive proof to back up their accusations. No, it's not, go read the "GM maphackers growing: Impa" thread. Plenty of people being outed for being hackers with definitive proof.
I'll go ahead and repeat myself for you, again. I was refering to the Spades thread and I haven't been around for long so I haven't looked into the Impa thread, yet. Sorry, thought I had edited the post.
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On June 06 2012 18:23 Zenislev wrote:
Exactly.. and until the admins start trying to curb this behavior by closing such threads, its almost as if they condone the behavior. This is going to keep happening unless they take a stance on it. Doing nothing about it is basically saying this irrational mobbing of potential hackers is fine... I'll be disappointed in TL if this is allowed to continue because it's not fair to the accused and I think it's damaging the scene.
Right. I simply can't get my head around it that they let the Spades thread derail in such a way. The TL admins of all people should know better than to open up the thread after they closed it because they had "new evidence" in form of a pros opinion (illusion). They just put a badge up there saying "be careful with your accusations"... and then they just let the hate continue. Spades apparently received death threats, his life must be hell right now. And there isn't even any non-controversial evidence yet that he did hack.
And even though the OP here proves 100% that the Zack kid hacked, he just should've let the admins of the tournament and the team know and let them settle the issue. This whole thing just shows, unfortunately, that the SC community isn't quite as mature as it prides itself to be.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe someone should start a new thread about this. Unfortunately, I have been procrastinating from my master's thesis for faaar too long now :D
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Blizzard do not care about cheaters, they are too busy with Diablo 3
I don't think blizzard have banned a single one since few months after release
I personally know a hacker (former member of my clan) and he got caught and admitted to hacking more than 6 months ago and his account is still active
Blizzard DO NOT CARE
There is no financial incentive to do anything about cheating for blizzard
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On June 06 2012 17:51 Anvil666 wrote:
Jesus Christ, I hope TL will find a way to deal with these kinds of accusations differently. Hackers should never be tolerated and should be punished / expelled by their teams and their accounts closed, no questions about it.
But seriously, haven't you learned from the Spades Case? There is a LEGIT WAY to going about this! Namely, to contact the players team FIRST (in this case HRG) with the evidence and have them settle the matter. You can be sure they will expell him if they conclude on the evidence, because no team will ever cover up a hacker, they couldnt afford that. Posting that sort of stuff in the open just leads to more lynchmobs. Seriously, all these statements like "give him a treat when he shows up" are disgusting. When I read some of these posts, I find myself remembered of Germany in the 30s. I am waiting for the day when a hackers RL info is made public and some people decide to set his car on fire.
I always thought TL was a grown up place, but the way (some) people are going about this gives me serious headaches.
In a way, I'd agree. Just a way to bring order to the accusations, instead of just allowing anyone to throw stuff around and yell and scream. Unfortunately, blizzard doesn't seem very interested in handling the hacking situation so it comes down to the community to crack down on this. It'd be better for TL to moderate it somehow, which I'm under the impression that they're doing, given the post made by RaGe;
It's likely we'll make a statement on the entire situation (not just the drama itself, but also the way it was handled) in the coming days.
I'm absolutely fine with people getting mad about people like this being invited to a WCS, but making outlandish statements like "Let's kidnap/hurt him at the event!" is pretty stupid. We can handle this without threatening people's safety.
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Jesus christ... With that hack obviously being so accessible and sort of easy to get away with, I wonder how many people I play on the ladder that actually hacks...
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Just make this guy feel unwelcome in the community. But I bet he won't even show up.
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