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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
I have never known him as a gamer, never seen him on stream. Being innocent or not is irrelevant: I'm quite disappointed in the way things went and the people contributing nothing but hatred for suspects; being civilised is apparently of no value to those people.. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:25 roym899 wrote: I didn't know being forced off your team because of awful PR = pleading guilt. This is the reason why this community is so downright awful at times, people are out for blood and don't use their god damn brains.Oh my god. I really can't read the word "witch" anymore. Probably I have to stay away from here for the next 2? months... The destiny thing was stupid. But this is a serious issue which have to be dealt with. The fact he retires shows that he cheated. He pretty much admitted it by leaving the team. | ||
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DJFaqU
466 Posts
Either way, a good move on Spades that was necessary because this community consists, to a large part, of gullible children. | ||
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SoloZergg
United States90 Posts
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away. Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8309 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:07 toiletCAT wrote: Okay, let's say that "we" have evidence but no proof, yet, maybe -- how can you justify that? I don't believe you know anything about evidence, proof or justice. I feel this way because you appear to use the terms interchangeably and then when asked about it you respond in the form of a question. Thereby failing to address the issue. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:28 hifriend wrote: Several pro's have analyzed the replays and come to the conclusion that he probably doesn't cheat. Do you have links to back this up? | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
 Hope Spades is successful in his future endeavors ;_; | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:28 hifriend wrote: I have watched every replay in fpview and he looks in the fog a total of 5 or so times across the 6 (?) games. When we're talking about such a small amount of games, it's not entirely unlikely that he correctly anticipated army movement on a few occurences. Several pro's have analyzed the replays and come to the conclusion that he probably doesn't cheat. That is not what I have heard when I was following this story. Most pros have come down on the side that the play was really fishy and did not seem on the up and up. Everyone I respected who reviewed the replays pretty much agreed they were extreamly odd and did not reflect legitmate play. And it was not the mob that took him down. The thread only got fired up once professional players started to make their opinion known. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:19 toiletCAT wrote: Look, I'm having a really tough time taking you seriously because your main argument throughout this whole episode has been "anyone who doesn't agree with us are stupid and are not right in their heads, and it's so obvious because he does things that are unlikely or weird" I never said that this community sucks, so stop mixing the things I say up with what others say and feel. I'm disappointed in some of you, because you think you rightfully concluded that Spades was hacking without proof. That's a fact, you do not have any kind of proof, only "odd and fishy" replays, which essentially could mean anything. I realize that it's extremely hard to find out whether or not someone is hacking today, but you've got to understand that I think it's wrong of me to judge others before I know for sure what they have committed. If you cannot accept that, then that's fine, but I certainly assume that you have the right amount of brain cells insided that skull of yours to understand that I think what you've done is wrong, and that's final. Buzzwords odd and fishy seem to be the new craze to be used in place of suspicious and non habitual. A bank is robbed in a town that I just happen to be stopping in but never visited to prior. The next morning I am questioned because "I fit the description" its possible my things might be searched because "I fit the description" Im released from the station. Say this is a small town some people will have formulated in their mind I am guilty some will not. Thats all that happened here, his actions in the bo7 called into question! No one sentenced him to death, life without possibility of parole, or house arrest. Another example high profile celebrity is accused of rape. Goes to trial the accuser says she wants to drop the trial because she doesn't like media invading her privacy. Reports come out that there was a settlement reach out of court for a undisclosed amount. Was she a gold digger? Was it consensual sex? Was it actually Rape and she really didnt like media in her private life and the celeb payed money just to keep her quiet about the incident or about a affair that went wrong. Can speculate all day long but public will formulate there opinion regardless. Look at Casey Anthony proved innocent there are still a large number of people believe she is guilty. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Aeris130
Sweden14 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote: Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh? Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away. Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really. One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Spades, come on. It is the place and the time. There is no better place or time in the world. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
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LoraX
69 Posts
Spades grow a pair of balls and admit you fucked up. Everyone fucks up and does something stupid one time or another, what separates men from bitches is taking ownership of your mistakes. It's obvious you're not only a hacker, but a pussy as well. | ||
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Maekchu
140 Posts
I think this matter should be investigated in more detail in order to get to the right conclusion. Personally, I think that if the evidence shows that he cheated he should be punished severely. A retirement from e-sports in general should be the right thing. I don't even understand any team wanted him, after it has already been proven that he cheated in BW. I don't understand people saying that cheaters should be granted some slack. It is only healthy for e-sports in general to severely punish hackers/cheaters. It's not a matter of being civil or not, but trying to keep the scene clean of anyone that cheats, and making clear of the consequences of such actions. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:36 Djzapz wrote: I like the whole "I won't disscus the accusations themselves here, this is not the place or time." thing. Spades, come on. It is the place and the time. There is no better place or time in the world. Haha so true and so funny. Spades just admit you did it. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:35 TommyP wrote: Are you just downright retarded?I dont see how people can sympathize with this guy. HE USED MAP HACKS!! Thats like people sympathizing with Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, etc and saying oh man you cant get into the hall of fame? aww you poor baby. Please, we cant let people who cheat stay around, some people live off this game and dont cheat and when people gain that unfair advantage they cant make money playing online tournaments. Why should murderers have lawyers? They are murderers. -_-' And besides, judging from the thread, there wasn't quite consensus on the subject, how convinced you may be. | ||
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SoloZergg
United States90 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote: One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted. True, very true. But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote: Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards. I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings. | ||
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conz
United Kingdom163 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:29 LimeNade wrote: Hmm I don't understand the mindset here. He hasn't been convicted guilty or innocent yet. To opt to leave from his team just seems like a childish thing to do for someone who wants attention to play the victim. If he had any tact he'd stay with his team and prove his innocence like a REAL MAN (in over the top burly man voice) would do! Wish people would stop speculating with half baked psychoanalysis. The guy is under a lot of pressure right now whether he's innocent or guilty, it's an extreme situation and I'm sure he's emotionally fucked right now. This isn't just a game this guy plays like most of us, it's his career and reputation that's his put tons of time and effort over the last 2 years developing. For me to speculate and question how someone reacts to high stress situation is the 'childish thing to do'. And if he isn't guilty then to actually leave his team to remove the negative press from them takes a big man. Innocent until proven guilty isn't just for the movies kids. | ||
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