EPTAlso, any chance this is a Brett Farve retirement?
How old is he?(Im lazy I know I can check TLPD)
Spades retires from Western Wolves - Page 18
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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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treekiller
United States236 Posts
Also, any chance this is a Brett Farve retirement? How old is he?(Im lazy I know I can check TLPD) | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:22 Gobe wrote: Never looking into the fog of war? Actually never. Perfectly predicting enemy movement without vision? Several blatantly terrible choices in a row that paid off just because of luck? There is such an infinitesimally small chance that he was not hacking. Any of these alone is not enough, but all of them together is pretty damning. It's suspicious as fuck, I agree, but it's not proof. Edit: just read the mod-update, I'm done. Have fun, all. | ||
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Stubentiger
48 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:21 polyphonyEX wrote: They maphack because they suck and could never win otherwise. True for Spades, at least. He seems pretty famous and competent for that, unlike Deezer or CombatEX who I guess never showed such results? I think you guys asume an awful lot. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:20 Stubentiger wrote:  And if anyone could explain to me why a pro player would maphack, please? To win. Don't ask dumb questions. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:23 toiletCAT wrote: It's suspicious as fuck, I agree, but it's not proof. Edit: just read the mod-update, I'm done. Have fun all. The old way that hacking was proven in the past is no longer possible. Clicking on units, tracking camera position etc are all accounted for in the hack these guys used. It doesn't get any more conclusive than the proof presented. It was proof enough that many pros, not just catz and illu all agreed on. | ||
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roym899
Germany426 Posts
The destiny thing was stupid. But this is a serious issue which have to be dealt with. The fact he retires shows that he cheated. He pretty much admitted it by leaving the team. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:22 Gobe wrote: Never looking into the fog of war? Actually never. Perfectly predicting enemy movement without vision? Several blatantly terrible choices in a row that paid off just because of luck? There is such an infinitesimally small chance that he was not hacking. Any of these alone is not enough, but all of them together is pretty damning. Everyone saying the evidence isn't good enough either hasn't reviewed the replays extensively/heard CatZ's arguments or simply aren't high enough level players to understand how ridiculous it is to be playing with completely different habits in two sets of replays. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:50 toiletCAT wrote: Show me definitive proof that Spades was using a hack, then tell me which hack he was using, when he was using it and for which purpose - then I'll gladly say "you were right all along, and I apolgoize for saying otherwise." Unless you can do this, I suggest you take a step back and realize what you've actually done. His scanning, him not looking into the FOW, his army movement and most importantly the judgements of people who actually know what they are talking about are 99% for me. The fact that he was already hacking in BW is the missing 1%. I also want to adress people talking about a "mob mentality". This is not quite the case. The "mob" is led by pro WHO KNOW THEIR SHIT. Not a single pro has EVEN TRIED to explain the really suspicious stuff. User was warned for this post | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:25 roym899 wrote: Oh my god. I really can't read the word "witch" anymore. Probably I have to stay away from here for the next 2? months... The destiny thing was stupid. But this is a serious issue which have to be dealt with. The fact he retires shows that he cheated. He pretty much admitted it by leaving the team. Er, no. Given the fact that he already wasn't very popular combined with the massive thread pretty much means that his reputation, and by extent that of WW, was tarnished pretty irreparably. He could either retire to keep the rest of WW out of it, or WW could fire him for the same reason. He was fucked no matter what. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:22 Gobe wrote: Never looking into the fog of war? Actually never. Perfectly predicting enemy movement without vision? Several blatantly terrible choices in a row that paid off just because of luck? There is such an infinitesimally small chance that he was not hacking. Any of these alone is not enough, but all of them together is pretty damning. I have watched every replay in fpview and he looks in the fog a total of 5 or so times across the 6 (?) games. When we're talking about such a small amount of games, it's not entirely unlikely that he correctly anticipated army movement on a few occurences. On June 06 2012 06:26 Aunvilgod wrote: His scanning, him not looking into the FOW, his army movement and most importantly the judgements of people who actually know what they are talking about are 99% for me. The fact that he was already hacking in BW is the missing 1%. I also want to adress people talking about a "mob mentality". This is not quite the case. The "mob" is led by pro WHO KNOW THEIR SHIT. Not a single pro has EVEN TRIED to explain the really suspicious stuff. Several pro's have analyzed the replays and come to the conclusion that he probably doesn't cheat. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
EDIT: if he was innocent would he leave the team? | ||
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Starp
Canada199 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:10 LanTAs wrote: Good job everybody. You just destroyed a man's career and now he probably has to work @ a macdonalds for $8 an hour. are you all happy with your witch hunt? Was he getting a salary from WW? I have never heard about them before. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:29 LimeNade wrote: Hmm I don't understand the mindset here. He hasn't been convicted guilty or innocent yet. To opt to leave from his team just seems like a childish thing to do for someone who wants attention to play the victim. If he had any tact he'd stay with his team and prove his innocence like a REAL MAN (in over the top burly man voice) would do! Yes or just admit it like a REAL MAN. | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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CandyHunterz
Canada66 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:10 toiletCAT wrote: I'm just asking a simple question that none of you can answer, it seems. How can you in your right mind "conclude" something without proof? I already told you. Tell me which hack he is using, when he is using it and for which purpose and if you could, wait for Warden to be able to detect it. Until then, your so-called "evidence" is not enough, but that doesn't matter now, because his career is ruined and he's gone, and we probably won't ever find out of he actually did hack, which only indicates that he most likely didn't. ok, now i know what proof you are looking for we can advance this discussion. According to you, a hacker should not be called a hacker if we dont know what the name of the hack he is using. As for when and purpose....what is the point here? ask yourself what is a hack and its purpose..? and wait for warden to detect it?? are you kidding me? Also, did you spend sometime looking at the TL hacker banlist? hackers were determined and banned by hard evidences but none are actual proof (in your standard). To be honest, some of the evidence in that thread seem less obvious than spades games here in which he tries to play stupid but couldnt hide the fact that he sees everything (cs reference: if you know an enemy is behind a wall, its very hard to ignore that fact). If we are going by your standard of "proof", the TL hacker banlist will almost be empty. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:15 IcedBacon wrote: Yep something ToiletCAT doesn't understand. Even in the courts it's proven beyond reasonable doubt. Also he doesn't seem to understand this is the ONLY way you can handle hacking accusations while there isn't a perfect anti-hack program in place. You didnt put much thought into it if you think a mob is the ONLY way to do this. You ever stop and think that perhaps the team could have had a few pro players look into it rather than the mob mentality that went on? Look up herd mentality or Information cascade for reference as to why this was an awful way to handle anything. | ||
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