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hnQ
113 Posts
"the proof is overwhelming" "if you actually see the replays there are no doubts wtf" "he cameralocks [even though he looks at fow sometimes ?] it's obvious" but why there are so many people yet doubting that he hacks? including progamers? not trying to pick a fight | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 07 2012 10:16 hnQ wrote: honest question, I see lots of "the proof is overwhelming" "if you actually see the replays there are no doubts wtf" "he cameralocks [even though he looks at fow sometimes ?] it's obvious" but why there are so many people yet doubting that he hacks? including progamers? not trying to pick a fight there aren't " so many people " the thread keeps growing because of a few persistent posters that are likely spade's friends. I haven't seen any progamers defend him after all the new replays were found, only in the initial hours. | ||
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CHOMPMannER
Canada175 Posts
gtfo cheater | ||
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hnQ
113 Posts
On June 07 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: there aren't " so many people " the thread keeps growing because of a few persistent posters that are likely spade's friends. I haven't seen any progamers defend him after all the new replays were found, only in the initial hours. i also haven't seen pro gamers commenting on debunked theories | ||
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openbox1
1393 Posts
On June 07 2012 10:16 hnQ wrote: honest question, I see lots of "the proof is overwhelming" "if you actually see the replays there are no doubts wtf" "he cameralocks [even though he looks at fow sometimes ?] it's obvious" but why there are so many people yet doubting that he hacks? including progamers? not trying to pick a fight Because people don't want the hassle to download the replays and see for themselves? Because people love to be the dissenting voice? Because people like Spades? (Even the progamers who said he's a cheater says he's a chill guy) Some progamers appear to be not really familiar with hacks. I'm sure most know the rudiments and I'm sure alot of them have tested some of the public ones or used them for shi*s and giggles, but guys like Nerchio and a few others who posted in support of Spades seem to have some base misunderstandings about how current pay/public hacks work. Why should they if they haven't touched the stuff? Also as a programmer, you can see that the hack Spades appears to be using has a very distinctive fow maplock system. Lastly, just compare his replays from that series and some of his clean games where he was streaming. No pro in their right mind plays with two completely different mechanics during games. You control the units the same way, you scan the same way, you build up muscle memory to increase your apm. Because of the distinctive fow maplock system, if Spades is playing without a maphack, that means he's playing in a completely different style. A comparison would be using one set of hotkeys for all your normal games and then deciding to switch your 1-9 keys to alphabet keys for the show match. Does that sound logical? The guy hacked and everyone recognizes it. At this point, he's just denying because there's no upside to coming out and admitting it given his past history. Understandable. | ||
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hnQ
113 Posts
On June 07 2012 10:58 openbox1 wrote: Because people don't want the hassle to download the replays and see for themselves? Because people love to be the dissenting voice? Because people like Spades? (Even the progamers who said he's a cheater says he's a chill guy) Some progamers appear to be not really familiar with hacks. I'm sure most know the rudiments and I'm sure alot of them have tested some of the public ones or used them for shi*s and giggles, but guys like Nerchio and a few others who posted in support of Spades seem to have some base misunderstandings about how current pay/public hacks work. Why should they if they haven't touched the stuff? Also as a programmer, you can see that the hack Spades appears to be using has a very distinctive fow maplock system. Lastly, just compare his replays from that series and some of his clean games where he was streaming. No pro in their right mind plays with two completely different mechanics during games. You control the units the same way, you scan the same way, you build up muscle memory to increase your apm. Because of the distinctive fow maplock system, if Spades is playing without a maphack, that means he's playing in a completely different style. A comparison would be using one set of hotkeys for all your normal games and then deciding to switch your 1-9 keys to alphabet keys for the show match. Does that sound logical? The guy hacked and everyone recognizes it. At this point, he's just denying because there's no upside to coming out and admitting it given his past history. Understandable. have you considered he might be innocent? also this, www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342248¤tpage=264#5269 not saying he doesn't hack, just trying to actually reach a conclusion by myself | ||
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m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
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openbox1
1393 Posts
On June 07 2012 11:01 hnQ wrote: have you considered he might be innocent? also this, www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342248¤tpage=264#5269 not saying he doesn't hack, just trying to actually reach a conclusion by myself Didn't bother reading 200+ pages of people rehashing the same points. Judge for yourself. Actually Spades was stupid. From what I've seen available on the hacks forums, he should have used an overlay external hack. Won't get rid of "suspicious movements" and mirror builds accusations, but at least its not a sure giveaway like the fow map lock. You don't get APM drops of suspicious camera inactivities. Also a lot less detectable than something that hijacks and injects directly into starcraft. Sure giveaway if you examine the replay cause noone amongst the pros play without checking fow every now and then. If you are one of those exceptional rare cases, then you better make sure the replays that you play that are clean also don't show you checking fow. And to you, instead of going "hmmm... I'm going to play detective and judge everything from posts other people make", why don't you download the replay packs and come to a conclusion yourself. Unless you're another sheep that just wants to be spoonfed. You're kinda ending up like just another TLer trying to come to a conclusion without looking at the preponderance of data available to you. | ||
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