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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On June 06 2012 19:57 The_Dark wrote: From Spades to Clubbed , I dont know if this can be 3rd time lucky for the career , think its been straight flushed down the toilet now. All those puns felt really forced.... sry D; | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
If he didn't do anything wrong he should have told everyone to fuck off and let his team determine if he was a liability or not. Think of it this way, SC2 is his career. Imagine if your employer came up to you and said your coworker accused you of something you didn't do and that something was an offense that would result in your termination were you to be found guilty. Would you just throw in the towel and not try to defend yourself? Are you going to tell your boss that there's no point in defending yourself because they wont believe you anyways? I personally would be pissed. I'd be giving my side of the story and showing passion because someone is falsely accusing me of something I didn't do and they were trying to take my career from me. If i did, however, commit whatever offense I was accused of and there was proof of it I'd prefer to resign on my own accord rather than having been fired. Once Spades left WW they had no reason to investigate for themselves. It seems like leaving WW was self preservation rather than saving face of his team. I don't think anyone in their right mind would blame the team for one of their players hacking assuming they had no prior knowledge of it. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1115 Posts
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
HE IS A CHEATER. It's completly different. | ||
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Inverse1
United Kingdom61 Posts
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humanplayer
Australia2 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:11 BlitzerSC wrote: I'm happy that he got kicked out of his team ( because let's be hones, 99% of the time that a player " leaves" his team is because he got kicked). We don't need this kind of players in our community. Also, let's not call him hacker because he isnt one. HE IS A CHEATER. It's completly different. He probably was but mostly out of convenience I imagine. WW does not have an actual SC2 team afaik, they just dumped their Dota 2 team, all they have left are some teams in games that are still amateur level gaming. They are probably dead in 3 months | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
Please, I beg you, don't blame the community, the community is just one kid, it is a lot of kids with a lot of different opinions, we are not just lynchers, it is not our fault, those guys are OUR public figures and they (may have in Spades case)screwed up. Our community has a good share of forward thinking people THAT won't stand for someone using racial slur, our community has a good share of people who loves korean sportsmanship and won't stand for someone who disrespects this, our community has a good share of people that loves the game to a point that thinking of the possibility of cheating makes them nauseous. We are not just one kid, we are a lot of different kids. | ||
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xXcuteprincess69Xx
Bahrain2 Posts
gook scum User was banned for this post. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 06 2012 18:50 TheAntZ wrote: So much drama over a player that would never get anywhere in the sc2 scene even with hacks... Its not even that people got so riled up and angry because they feared for the scenes 'integrity' This fucked up, redditized community just enjoys fucking with peoples lives at this point. Pathetic scum. Pretty much this. I'm absolutely sure that 99% of people who take active part in these threads and write to sponsors etc do so because they enjoy the feeling of power they have over people's lives and careers. This time around, the accusations were (likely) right. Next time they might not be. But regardless of the importance, relevance or truth of the accusations, it's pretty obvious at this point that the wolves will come out the moment they smell blood. | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:25 Alpino wrote: I'm sick and tired of all of this "community sucks" when in fact we are the fucking best gaming community I've ever seen by miles. Yes I am fucking tired. Everyone has its reasons to not like something, NaNi did something dumb, orb did something dumb, Destiny did something dumb, Spades may have done something dumber than all combined. Please, I beg you, don't blame the community, the community is just one kid, it is a lot of kids with a lot of different opinions, we are not just lynchers, it is not our fault, those guys are OUR public figures and they (may have in Spades case)screwed up. Our community has a good share of forward thinking people THAT won't stand for someone using racial slur, our community has a good share of people who loves korean sportsmanship and won't stand for someone who disrespects this, our community has a good share of people that loves the game to a point that thinking of the possibility of cheating makes them nauseous. We are not just one kid, we are a lot of different kids. Very well written, I couldn't agree more | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:32 xXcuteprincess69Xx wrote: ive long known rice eaters to be the cause of all misery in the world gook scum Cool gamertag... | ||
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Animzor
Sweden2154 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:21 humanplayer wrote: dramacraft 2... why dont you babies just play the video game It's difficult when people cheat. | ||
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MassacrisM
United Kingdom149 Posts
All in all, I just think he's wanting to rid of this matter asap by just leaving it hanged so the spotlight will go away from him; then he would be able to start laying lower probably to erase traces of his hacking activities. All this is just what I think though. If I were him and I did NOT cheat and I assumingly spent tons of effort into this progaming career, I would never just throw it all away like that just because of some silly accusations. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:11 BlitzerSC wrote: I'm happy that he got kicked out of his team ( because let's be hones, 99% of the time that a player " leaves" his team is because he got kicked). Well in this case you're 100% wrong. Spades left. On June 06 2012 22:24 floor exercise wrote: He probably was but mostly out of convenience I imagine. WW does not have an actual SC2 team afaik, they just dumped their Dota 2 team, all they have left are some teams in games that are still amateur level gaming. They are probably dead in 3 months No, he wasn't, he left. You're making things up. It's funny that some people are completely oblivious to esports outside of RTS. We have an extremely strong and diverse roster, from fighting games to FIFA. Nevermind LLL still has sc2 players. | ||
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medic_ro
Romania105 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1115 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:57 Martijn wrote: Well in this case you're 100% wrong. Spades left. I'm sorry, if he was totally innocent his team would and should stand by and support him in what would be a very difficult time pulling up on friends and other pro's for support. He left becasue he had little other option due to how conclusive the evidence supporting him being a hacker was in the face of fans, players and top pro's. He left so that his foolish and childish actions didn't do much more damage to WW as a team and left them with some credibility. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
The mature way for posters, players, and everyone to handle this would be to consider the evidence over a longer period of time than 2 days. On June 07 2012 00:13 baldgye wrote: I'm sorry, if he was totally innocent his team would and should stand by and support him in what would be a very difficult time pulling up on friends and other pro's for support. He left becasue he had little other option due to how conclusive the evidence supporting him being a hacker was in the face of fans, players and top pro's. He left so that his foolish and childish actions didn't do much more damage to WW as a team and left them with some credibility. This is such a bad generalization. This entire thread is a trainwreck of bad generalizations with no actual evidence of anything for his actions. The consequences if we (the posters/players/etc) are wrong is that we just fucked up his life. | ||
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Moonsalt
267 Posts
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:41 MassacrisM wrote: I don't understand. If he really did not or has never hacked, why would he suddenly decide to drop the ball like that ? If his team also believes in him like they said, they should not have been swayed by the public opinion to kick him out either. On the other hand, if Spades wanted to be released, it clearly showed that he is afraid that he'd be found guilty sooner or later, considering his MMR currently is so high. To maintain it, he'd have to continue to hack(assumingly) and if he doesnt hack, his rank would drop like mad it'd give away so clearly. All in all, I just think he's wanting to rid of this matter asap by just leaving it hanged so the spotlight will go away from him; then he would be able to start laying lower probably to erase traces of his hacking activities. All this is just what I think though. If I were him and I did NOT cheat and I assumingly spent tons of effort into this progaming career, I would never just throw it all away like that just because of some silly accusations. Though this has been reiterated almost every page in this thread, I must continue - this point is the strongest accusation against Spades yet. Because sure the evidence of hacking cannot be proven and is almost completely circumstantial, BUT, Spades' actions after being accused have been more damning than any accusation people could throw at him. If Spades took his Flash-like starsense into a LAN and wrecked faces right after this debacle, who in the hell could say anything against him? He doesn't even have to win, playing as exceptional as he did in his hacked games would do though. Not only would he be absolved of being called a hacker, but his career and fame would skyrocket overnight. But he quit his team to save them embarassment and, in all likelihood, he'd be knocked out first round in MLG Anaheim or whatever the next LAN is. So no Spades, you will never absolve yourself because you probably were hacking to artificially inflate yourself as a pro, your career will always have a stain on it because YOU didn't do anything about it, and in my books you aren't just a poor player, you're a guy with shit character. Personally I'm done with this public outing of a wuss until he mans up and actually starts giving a shit. | ||
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