EPTSpades retires from Western Wolves - Page 34
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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Candadar
2049 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:31 Arcanefrost wrote: I don't get why he doesn't try to prove his skill in the next tournament, this really makes him look guilty. Because his reputation is destroyed regardless? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:27 SwizzY wrote: Though this has been reiterated almost every page in this thread, I must continue - this point is the strongest accusation against Spades yet. Because sure the evidence of hacking cannot be proven and is almost completely circumstantial, BUT, Spades' actions after being accused have been more damning than any accusation people could throw at him. If Spades took his Flash-like starsense into a LAN and wrecked faces right after this debacle, who in the hell could say anything against him? He doesn't even have to win, playing as exceptional as he did in his hacked games would do though. Not only would he be absolved of being called a hacker, but his career and fame would skyrocket overnight. But he quit his team to save them embarassment and, in all likelihood, he'd be knocked out first round in MLG Anaheim or whatever the next LAN is. So no Spades, you will never absolve yourself because you probably were hacking to artificially inflate yourself as a pro, your career will always have a stain on it because YOU didn't do anything about it, and in my books you aren't just a poor player, you're a guy with shit character. Personally I'm done with this public outing of a wuss until he mans up and actually starts giving a shit. It's especially strange when you consider the fact that he is a former admitted cheater who still has/had a SC2 career. For him to act like his reputation is now tarnished beyond repair just makes no sense, especially if you are to believe he is innocent. if he can continue playing after being a proven hacker, why would being suspected of hacking be a career ender? His comments just drip with guilt in my opinion. This is the kind of opportunity that would define him as a legit player and person of conviction after having admitted to hacking once already. Instead he can't even bring himself to deny the accusations in his latest comments. Maybe he is just a weak person, but if he truly loves what he does and is innocent I don't understand not fighting tooth and nail | ||
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yourself2k8
50 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:34 Candadar wrote: Because his reputation is destroyed regardless? I don't really think so, if he goes on a tear at live events and proves himself he can still make a name for himself. He already has the "hacker" label from BW so being known as a previous hacker isn't anything new for him. I'd root for a guy who got caught cheating then stopped and was actually good. Also, TT1 is an admitted hacker and his rep isn't "destroyed" | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:55 yourself2k8 wrote: I don't really think so, if he goes on a tear at live events and proves himself he can still make a name for himself. He already has the "hacker" label from BW so being known as a previous hacker isn't anything new for him. I'd root for a guy who got caught cheating then stopped and was actually good. Also, TT1 is an admitted hacker and his rep isn't "destroyed" TT1 didn't cheat twice. If spades considered a hacker again by most of the community, this would be his 2nd time. Also he was a coward anyway with how he handled the first accusation. He didn't admit it for a long time, until it was convenient for him to start making money of SC2. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:34 Candadar wrote: Because his reputation is destroyed regardless? It isn't though. We obviously all know Spades is a low/bottom tier NA 'pro' but if he actually did well in a tournament without hacking then people would have to say 'Ok hes pretty good.' But he won't. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
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yourself2k8
50 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:10 PanN wrote: TT1 didn't cheat twice. If spades considered a hacker again by most of the community, this would be his 2nd time. Also he was a coward anyway with how he handled the first accusation. He didn't admit it for a long time, until it was convenient for him to start making money of SC2. Agreed he is a coward for not admitting to it immediately, but results still talk. No way you can hack at a live event. Even if most the community hates him, you can still respect him if he starts performing well without hacks. Simply going away is the WORST possible thing he can do if he wants to prove himself innocent this time. If he doesn't, then fine just leave. He won't be missed. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
unless u were hacking then o well | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:34 Candadar wrote: Because his reputation is destroyed regardless? If he turns up at a LAN and performs well I don't see how that would not help his reputation. Not that he had one before this to begin with,he is a mediocre player at best and has no offline results to speak off,no image and does nothing for the community aside from coaching as far as I know. I'm sure he is a great person in real life and that he isn't a bad kid but I won't loose any sleep if he retires and vanishes from the scene. If he want's to try and disprove all the haters and people accusing him of hacking I wish him all the best and by all means try,but obviously that won't happen here since he is quitting as far as I understand. | ||
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DirtyBirD
United States239 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:11 setzer wrote: Why did Sangho quit BW when he didn't map-hack? Why are professionals fired from their careers based on hearsay and false accusations? No longer do we live in societies where people are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the public. As soon as that first accusation is brought out the crowd opinion instantly latches on to that and brands the accused guilty, without deciding before all information is brought onto the table. With instant media and many outlets for others to express opinions, people are easily caught up and believe incomplete, sometimes completely false, information and it spirals out of control. Spades being guilty or innocent won't ever clear his name in the public and that automatically makes him a risky investment for sponsors and teams. Whatever the outcome, Spade's professional career is most certainly ruined because of crusading and mob-mentality. People need to stop being so emotional over dumb shit, sit back, and wait for actual facts to come out. I haven't read the entire thread, but this is by far the best post I've read yet. It's just the way the entire situation was handled that leaves a sour taste in many of our mouths. If you're going to accuse someone of hacking or cheating, do your homework and make damn sure you're right about it before you post it for the entire SC2 community to eat up. I don't know if he hacked or not, but I don't think condemning a person before anything is certain is right. Sure there are a lot of things that are really fishy, but there are a lot of things that can be explained away about the entire situation, so who really knows? This is the reason we have our trial by jury system in the US. Hell, I'm actually summoned to appear as a juror on the 25th of this month and I hope for whoever's sake that none of the other people are like the majority of those posting in these two threads. | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
There's a difference between retiring and being exposed and then fired, even though it's obvious to the people now that he hacks, but retiring before the issue can be truly resolved or investigated, he can cast doubt in people's mind about what he did, he officially retires and not fired/banished. Justice is not served. | ||
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quickclickz
United States81 Posts
On June 06 2012 09:37 Doodsmack wrote: You should stick to the evidence in the replays rather than what Spades says. You have no reason to interpret his words that way rather than "I know I'm innocent but the community will never be convinced otherwise." You'd have a point in that I have no reason to interpret his words in that way IF I didn't already look at the replays (all of them) as well as Catz's analysis. He's guilty so I can interpret anything he says as if he's guilty. The only thing left is to statistically prove him to be guilty- like the BW maphacks where it wasn't a camera lock but a click lock (meaning the game would not register you ever clicking on an opponent's unit ... even from the minimap. If a player doesn't do this over say an entire replay pack (50 games) I think the statistic was 1 in 50 billion of it never happening. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
if he wants to defend himself then he can win a bunch of tournaments, because apparently he's so good he can select dropships that aren't hotkeyed and aren't on his screen. l o l | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2012 03:06 fishjie wrote: well looks like there's pretty solid evidence against him now if he wants to defend himself then he can win a bunch of tournaments, because apparently he's so good he can select dropships that aren't hotkeyed and aren't on his screen. l o l Yeah, that is pretty damning and the other evidence shows that he plays like no other professional player on earth. I have seen no professional players come forward to defend his play after everyone dug through those relays. It really sucks, but I hope MLG this weekend just erases this off of the forums and it a joke a year from now. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1111 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:19 dcemuser wrote: This is such a bad generalization. This entire thread is a trainwreck of bad generalizations with no actual evidence of anything for his actions. The consequences if we (the posters/players/etc) are wrong is that we just fucked up his life. The evidence was laid out by Catz and the other pro gamers that where on his stream, why would everyone need to link to his stream (or VOD if its been uploaded). | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:10 PanN wrote: TT1 didn't cheat twice. If spades considered a hacker again by most of the community, this would be his 2nd time. Also he was a coward anyway with how he handled the first accusation. He didn't admit it for a long time, until it was convenient for him to start making money of SC2. Testie has been caught MHing multiple times through BW, and people still forgave him. As long you're actually skilled in LAN, you can always recover your career. So have other BW players in the past. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On June 07 2012 00:23 Moonsalt wrote: I feel sorry for Spades. Guilty or not he's still a cool guy. Yes? Hacking to then qualify for a tournament while better players can´t attend? REALLY cool guy. | ||
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SCPlato
United States249 Posts
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