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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
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Blackknight232
United States169 Posts
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Nydaeli
United States30 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:02 Femari wrote: It's pretty sad that TL has become a place where the mob mentality reigns supreme and fucks up people's lives. Doesn't matter if he was guilty or not now, cause if it turns out he was innocent you all just fucked his life up and barred him from doing something he probably loves to do. It seems he wasn't that attached to it. If you loved doing something (your passion, and your job) and some random people on forums said you cheated at it and you knew it was false, would you just stop doing it? May I remind you that it was only a fucking TL thread, it's not a "mob", it doesn't "reign supreme" anywhere. Quit using big words for small things. He should have kept going honestly, even if he was guilty. He should have been prepared for consequences in this case, and in the case he was innocent, people wouldn't have found anything anyway... Worst choice is to quit (but obviously he was fired, he did not retire from his own, who are we kidding...), it's either admitting you're a cheater, or you're a wuss. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:02 Femari wrote: It's pretty sad that TL has become a place where the mob mentality reigns supreme and fucks up people's lives. Doesn't matter if he was guilty or not now, cause if it turns out he was innocent you all just fucked his life up and barred him from doing something he probably loves to do. Please explain how the 'damage' that has been done to his reputation would not immediately be undone and all condemnation of him would dissipate if it somehow 'turns out that he was innocent' as you suggest. I don't get it when people say all the forum posts opinion on here is somehow irreparable damage. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:02 Femari wrote: It's pretty sad that TL has become a place where the mob mentality reigns supreme and fucks up people's lives. Doesn't matter if he was guilty or not now, cause if it turns out he was innocent you all just fucked his life up and barred him from doing something he probably loves to do. If you bothered to study the evidence presented by Catz/Illusion/Drewbie/TT1 in its entirety (ie not watching 2 replays with preconcieved ideas) then you would realise that the rational viewpoint is that he is guilty. There is undisputable evidence of camera locking which proves beyond any doubt that he is using a maphack. The "replay bugs" that people claim to be in play here do not work 100% of the time in a 7 game sample. The reason so many people are still on the fence about it is that they simply haven't looked at enough of the evidence. Then these people claim that "there is no concrete evidence". Yeah there is buddy, you just haven't bothered educating yourself on the matter. Take a look at the reddit thread and view ALL the evidence there before you start insulting the people that actually did their homework. As for martyring one self in this way it's exactly the same kind of thing he did when he got caught back in the brood war days. He's basically hoping on getting emotional support from uninformed fans. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:16 ZenithM wrote: It seems he wasn't that attached to it. If you loved doing something (your passion, and your job) and some random people on forums said you cheated at it and you knew it was false, would you just stop doing it? May I remind you that it was only a fucking TL thread, it's not a "mob", it doesn't "reign supreme" anywhere. Quit using big words for small things. He should have kept going honestly, even if he was guilty. He should have been prepared for consequences in this case, and in the case he was innocent, people wouldn't have found anything anyway... Worst choice is to quit (but obviously he was fired, he did not retire from his own, who are we kidding...), it's either admitting you're a cheater, or you're a wuss. Hahaha not a mob? Please. Go back to the Destiny thread and tell me TL has not become a mob waiting for their next lynch. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
maybe... you are the mob mentality....?? | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:18 StarStrider wrote: Please explain how the 'damage' that has been done to his reputation would not immediately be undone and all condemnation of him would dissipate if it somehow 'turns out that he was innocent' as you suggest. I don't get it when people say all the forum posts opinion on here is somehow irreparable damage. Because you enjoy petting your ego at the expense of others too much. Because there will never be evidence that entirely proves his innocent. It will always be "so maybe he didn't hack in that game". Because all the mentally challenged people in this forum jump to conclusions based on nothing. I have no idea what this guy did and what he didn't, despite reading into some of the threads, like most of you. But that doesn't seem to matter. I couldn't care less about Spades, whatever he did, he's a little irrelevant kid. But you are bringing shame to the community. So disappointing, be it not the first time that this happens. And with you, I mean all of you | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:20 Femari wrote: Hahaha not a mob? Please. Go back to the Destiny thread and tell me TL has not become a mob waiting for their next lynch. Well apparently Destiny survived. The "lynching" wasn't that effective. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:21 Jinsho wrote: ^^^ The above is just people trying to distance themselves from the "mob mentality" because they automatically think themselves superiour. It doesn't matter what the topic, the issue, or the matter at hand is at all -- as long as they think the majority supports A, they are going to vehemently argue for B until they're out of breath. maybe... you are the mob mentality....?? I don't think I'm superior. What I do think is that trying to end someone's career after one day of looking at evidence is absolutely stupid. If we did this crap in the real world, three lacrosse players would be wrongfully in jail. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:26 Passion wrote: Because you enjoy petting your ego at the expense of others too much. Because there will never be evidence that entirely proves his innocent. It will always be "so maybe he didn't hack in that game". Because all the mentally challenged people in this forum jump to conclusions based on nothing. I have no idea what this guy did and what he didn't, despite reading into some of the threads, like most of you. But that doesn't seem to matter. I couldn't care less about Spades, whatever he did, he's a little irrelevant kid. But you are bringing shame to the community. So disappointing, be it not the first time that this happens. And with you, I mean all of you Except you "read into some of the threads". I like many others opened dozens of replays, watched them and saw for myself. If you want to prove his innocence, there is still time, Spades is still an SC2 player, go open these replays and share with us your analysis. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:29 Femari wrote: I don't think I'm superior. What I do think is that trying to end someone's career after one day of looking at evidence is absolutely stupid. If we did this crap in the real world, three lacrosse players would be wrongfully in jail. He just ended his own career. No one has forced him into doing this. If he was truly innocent then he would be able to continue. | ||
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Prevolved
United States573 Posts
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Digitalis
United States1043 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:27 ZenithM wrote: Well apparently Destiny survived. The "lynching" wasn't that effective. Nevertheless Destiny took a hit to his career, with the community forcing the hand Quantic and Destiny had to part ways. Are you saying it was not effective because Destiny found himself on a team again? Did you not factor the huge presence Destiny has within our community? Spades' presence in the community is far lesser than Destiny's and therefore he will be hit A LOT harder. People like Destiny and orb who have left an huge and mostly positive impact on our community as opposed to Spades and can recover from these "lynchings" | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:48 Digitalis wrote: Nevertheless Destiny took a hit to his career, with the community forcing the hand Quantic and Destiny had to part ways. Are you saying it was not effective because Destiny found himself on a team again? Did you not factor the huge presence Destiny has within our community? Spades' presence in the community is far lesser than Destiny's and therefore he will be hit A LOT harder. People like Destiny and orb who have left an huge and mostly positive impact on our community as opposed to Spades and can recover from these "lynchings" Just wanted to point out that "lynching" is a bit strong for 2 miserable threads on TL and Reddit. I didn't support (and didn't care for) what happened to Destiny. Btw I wish people would stop comparing maphackers to Destiny and orb. Cheating hurts our game way more than a little BM on a game chat in my opinion. While Destiny and orb's cases were a bit ridiculous, Spades' is completely justified for me. No mercy for hackers... | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:02 Femari wrote: It's pretty sad that TL has become a place where the mob mentality reigns supreme and fucks up people's lives. Doesn't matter if he was guilty or not now, cause if it turns out he was innocent you all just fucked his life up and barred him from doing something he probably loves to do. The evidence is overwhelming and any progamer that resorts to cheating has no right to continue making a living from it. A maphacker deserves no sympathy. | ||
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Zenislev
United States280 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:46 Prevolved wrote: It's pretty sad to see all these people condemning TL to a mad witch-hunt mob, as if we accuse people of hacking several times a week, In the past 10 days we've accused several people in the GM maphackers thread, HRGZack, Spades obviously. Not saying they didn't hack but we are accusing people several times a week now. and ruin peoples' careers left and right There have been plenty of these instances--Naniwa's probe rush, Orb, Destiny, Katu when he said Dragon stream cheated before, MaximusBlack a while ago... Maybe not all of them have had their careers ruined per se but some have had them damaged in to some extent due to this uncontrolled mob vigilantism. Maybe they deserved reprimand, but is that for a mob to decide? I think this thread is a good read on mob mentality http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=335636 | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:29 Femari wrote: If we did this crap in the real world, three lacrosse players would be wrongfully in jail. Lol nice try. First of all, there was real fallout from that. The coach had to resign and never got rehired. Second, that took months to figure out. If you want to show why all the evidence that has built up against spades is untrue, go right ahead. Spades could try to do that too. He never has outside of one REALLY halfhearted attempt. | ||
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