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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
fatalfirecrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
13 Posts
June 06 2012 00:47 GMT
#561
On June 06 2012 09:44 Chunhyang wrote:
Just to be a devil's advocate, this might actually be the rection of someone

1. who's been through this shitstorm before
2. wants to avoid it.

I mean, if he's still scarred from before, I'd think he'd want to avoid the public eye. Makes sense no?

Of course, we could also believe that he was being non self-preserving, kind, thoughtful and decided to leave the team to protect their image rather than run to them for protection unlike the rest of us peons would have been in a similar situation.


I think it could easily be a reaction to previous situations he has put himself in, but he handled those very poorly as well from what people have said. It is almost the boy who cried wolf. He claimed for years that he wasn't a hacker and then finally admitted it when it was convient for himself. It makes it very difficult to believe him this time.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 06 2012 00:50 GMT
#562
If you hacked, just admit it. The community will eventually forgive you, you are not the first one, so trying to be a martyr is just a bad idea.
TT1 was a hacker once and he sucks it up, and life still going on damn ok with him. Well, hes into poker now but you get the point.
Everyone can make mistake.
Terran
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
June 06 2012 00:53 GMT
#563
On June 06 2012 09:50 Caphe wrote:
If you hacked, just admit it. The community will eventually forgive you, you are not the first one, so trying to be a martyr is just a bad idea.
TT1 was a hacker once and he sucks it up, and life still going on damn ok with him. Well, hes into poker now but you get the point.
Everyone can make mistake.


If he did hack this time, it would be his 2nd. Pretty inexcusable I think.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 01:05:33
June 06 2012 01:04 GMT
#564
Spades backing out of WW is practically an admission of guilt.
Whether he hacked or not, he seems to be taking all the ownership of the guilty verdict. Seems rather ridiculous if he wasn't guilty.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
June 06 2012 01:10 GMT
#565
it is very strange that a player that have skyrocketed from a slump to nr 1 grandmaster suddenly decides to quit..

if he were to keep this trend going he would win gsl in a couple of months
mebeblood
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
June 06 2012 01:11 GMT
#566
He hasn't quit, he said in the other thread that he only left the team, he hasn't retired from SC2.
Chicken Chaser
Profile Joined July 2010
United States533 Posts
June 06 2012 01:13 GMT
#567
The team is WW not vVv ? Wow, I had no idea they were called Western Wolves... Thought it had something with 3 V's lol
mebeblood
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
June 06 2012 01:15 GMT
#568
vVv is an entirely different team. WW's only player was Spades. vVv has been around for a long time now and has way more then only one player. Though admittedly I don't know any of them lol.
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
June 06 2012 01:32 GMT
#569
He's been pretty much caught. He's been also caught before. I'd say I hope he retires and just disappears. thats my two cents.
i like cheese
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
June 06 2012 01:32 GMT
#570
On June 06 2012 10:04 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Spades backing out of WW is practically an admission of guilt.
Whether he hacked or not, he seems to be taking all the ownership of the guilty verdict. Seems rather ridiculous if he wasn't guilty.


Or maybe he was already at a point where he was doubting himself and his ability to live his dream and make it worthwhile and this latest witch hunt is the straw the broke the camel's back and pushed him into giving up. Maybe he just doesn't take it as seriously as a lot of the non-players in the community seem to. I know that if I was in his situation and I didn't cheat but the community thought I did I'd just fall back on my day job and say fuck it rather than deal with the stress and aggrevation of putting up with people that accused me of stuff.

I like StarCraft and I'm all about protecting it's integrity in a competive environment but at the end of the day it's really not THAT serious. So lets say his StarCraft career is over. Now he goes and does something else in the world and a community of people that no longer would have any relevance to him thinks he's a scumbag, that's really not so bad and it touches on my point about this whole "coward's way out" and "man up" stuff being superfluous and way out of place.

If it was someone like say Grubby (<3 Grubby) and eSports was the entire basis of their career and focus of their professional life for their entire adulthood it would be different and it would matter more and I'd be a little angry about the witch hunt, but in all honest I'd be surprised if Spades himself gives a fuck in a month or two.
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
June 06 2012 01:35 GMT
#571
People need to stop and think for a second before saying that leaving WW is a sign of guilt. wtf...

In no way it is admission of guild, and it is the right decision whether he cheated or not. His name is ruined and he will damage the team by staying there, thus he leaves. Is it really that hard to connect the dots yourself, or is it just fun for you guys to yell "omfg he took a breath, another sign that he cheated!"
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 06 2012 01:36 GMT
#572
I think he feels guilty, and wants to save WW from the damage this will cause.

Just what it seems like to me.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
sLBoGoRoH
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands126 Posts
June 06 2012 01:38 GMT
#573
I don't care if i get temp bannend but the thing i want to say is after watching all replay's your guilty.

Sentenced to disband at WW

User was temp banned for this post.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
June 06 2012 01:38 GMT
#574
people are so eager to act on voluntary actions made by others
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
mebeblood
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
June 06 2012 01:47 GMT
#575
On June 06 2012 10:36 nkr wrote:
I think he feels guilty, and wants to save WW from the damage this will cause.

Just what it seems like to me.


The damage is already caused. Leaving WW was a good choice because there are so many doubts out there now that no one will believe it even if an "official source" comes out saying he is innocent. This community can be opinionated, which is a good thing in most cases. But for this one, some are willing to believe he is a hacker even though nothing has been proven. They've made up their minds already. A bad image is out there and that will be extremely hard to get rid of.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
June 06 2012 01:47 GMT
#576
On June 06 2012 10:35 iokke wrote:
People need to stop and think for a second before saying that leaving WW is a sign of guilt. wtf...

In no way it is admission of guild, and it is the right decision whether he cheated or not. His name is ruined and he will damage the team by staying there, thus he leaves. Is it really that hard to connect the dots yourself, or is it just fun for you guys to yell "omfg he took a breath, another sign that he cheated!"


Anyone who be wrongly accused of cheating would have the trust of his team. Since he doesn't, it's clear that even his team doubts him and will not stand behind him.

That much should be obvious too? Or is it fun to yell "no guys you're all wrong this means nothing"?
RedMosquito
Profile Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
June 06 2012 01:48 GMT
#577
This doesn't make sense to me. Either deny it (wont solve the issue but if the accusation truly is false this is your only option), or admit to it (owning up to puts the issue to rest and people respect you for it. life goes on).

This kind of thing i dont understand.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
June 06 2012 01:53 GMT
#578
On June 06 2012 05:43 Comogury wrote:
It's very depressing to know that most people here were expecting some kind of confession. What's the point in confessing when you've already ran him out of town? If he is innocent, it just makes him feel even worse about himself. If he's guilty, so what? He's already fucking out, leave him the fuck alone.


Because this sort of thing needs to be addressed, often.

This incident should not be remembered as a "witchhunt." It should be remembered as something the community ought to do, and often.

Until tournament administrators get their shit together in that regard, the community is the only authority. The fact that so many pros, who hold the epitome of qualifications in this sort of thing, contributed to the discussion is proof that this was a good thing for esports.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 02:46:44
June 06 2012 02:44 GMT
#579
Look at the positive side of this. Now we can ask Playhem and other online tournaments to implement:

at least a 2-minute delay on live broadcasts (like Dota TV and NASL when IdrA requested it)

a client side anti-hack program (like iCCup Anti-Hack Launcher and the World of Warcraft Warden)

The remaining problem are the users of macros or other hardware modifications (like the rebind left-click to scroll-wheel) in online tourneys...
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
mebeblood
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 02:54:49
June 06 2012 02:51 GMT
#580
Warden is already used for starcraft 2, the problem isn't really the hacks themselves, but that they're able to bypass Warden.

though yeah they are a problem
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