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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
June 06 2012 00:17 GMT
#541
I feel like he's just trying to be a martyr. Whether he's innocent or guilty he probably feels like his lackluster career is best ended in a way where he stands to gain some potential sympathy, rather than just being entirely forgotten as he otherwise would be.
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
June 06 2012 00:17 GMT
#542
On June 06 2012 08:49 Scisyhp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 OzkanTheFlip wrote:
Spades, no1 wants you quit, worst case scenario is you made a mistake and hopefully admit to it and grow some balls your still going to do well.


I want him out. I'm tired of all this hacking. It's not even a question of a second chance. He already got that. At this point it's ridiculous, and he should get away from this scene and stay away.


I fully agree, no more chances for him.
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
June 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#543
On June 06 2012 09:06 TeeTS wrote:
Sorry but this is the standard cheater behavior, I'm used to from a multiple times maphacker back in the old brood war days in the german scene (His main ID was Selector).
At first you deny any cheating. If this isn't possible anymore you jump onto the pity train to get enough supporters, that your case is reconsidered. And sooner or later, we will have a 100% evidence and everyone who kept defending him feels like a fool (or might just be one).
I have no Idea how people can try to blandish maphacking and defend it beyong every reason. The evidences are there (in the other thread), and they are very clear. So just accept it. A growing proportion of cheaters is a real threat to the growth and stability of esports. So we have to fight Hacks and Cheats as hard as we can!


Bullshit.

I got called a cheater a bunch in CounterStrike. None whatsoever.

My first word? Deny I cheated. Why? Because I didn't. But all the evidence against me showed I was hacking. Well no shit, who keeps records of players not hacking? But there it was, plain as day, replays of me hacking.

Oh look, how he knew exactly where you were.

Oh look, how he died on purpose because he knew he was being suspicious.

Oh look, how he can do a stupidly bold move and get away with it.

There's a technique called priming. If I say, go look for this right here, chances are you'll find this right there. But would you have otherwise? That's why you have unbiased, unopinionated juries. No rape victim in a rape case. That's why there's a judge to moderate the prosecution. So you don't have biased crap thrown around like it's the truth. Know the victim? Then it's your testimony on your life. Not scared of perjury? You should be. Evidence, not hearsay. And innocent until proven guilty. And if even one juror disagrees with a conviction, you start all fucking over again until it's unanimous.

This is ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
There is no one like you in the universe.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 06 2012 00:21 GMT
#544
On June 06 2012 09:15 1a wrote:
this is sad, the sc2 community made a professional quit their job just because of a couple replays without even good evidence.


i've had it with these posts.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
PaRaBoWL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States74 Posts
June 06 2012 00:21 GMT
#545
Good riddance i still cant imagine why this guy has anyone defending him since hes been caught map hacking before in BW and now with the latest episode... he should be blacklisted from everything related to the pro scene imo...
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
June 06 2012 00:24 GMT
#546
People defending him do you actually play the game? When was the last time you watched your own replay? sure everybody's play is different but no everyone's play is as blatantly dodgy as Spade's + Him cheating in the past does not help him defend his case.
I hope the what you people call "mob justice" ruins this guy, seeing theres nothing else that actually deals with hackers at the moment.

Guys you gotta understand there's different types of hackers out there, there's people (newbs) that hack somewhere in their lower leagues or team games or whatever they don't actually realize how much the game means to some people or of the size of the community nor they care about esports in general.

Then every once in awhile you get an avg players who is obviously lacking in some aspects of their play yet their ambition for fame far surpasses what they are willing to put in, since they ok players already its alot easier for them to hide their hacks (Spades not doing a good job at it too LOL)

Dude chose the perfect Nickname, seems he loves to dig his own graves...



I bought a pack of cigarettes for $20, What have you done for your country today?
Illicitnz
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand2 Posts
June 06 2012 00:26 GMT
#547
Hes dug himself a hole.
Quick, seal it up.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
June 06 2012 00:27 GMT
#548
gl to all involved.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
June 06 2012 00:28 GMT
#549
On June 06 2012 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 09:06 TeeTS wrote:
Sorry but this is the standard cheater behavior, I'm used to from a multiple times maphacker back in the old brood war days in the german scene (His main ID was Selector).
At first you deny any cheating. If this isn't possible anymore you jump onto the pity train to get enough supporters, that your case is reconsidered. And sooner or later, we will have a 100% evidence and everyone who kept defending him feels like a fool (or might just be one).
I have no Idea how people can try to blandish maphacking and defend it beyong every reason. The evidences are there (in the other thread), and they are very clear. So just accept it. A growing proportion of cheaters is a real threat to the growth and stability of esports. So we have to fight Hacks and Cheats as hard as we can!


Bullshit.

I got called a cheater a bunch in CounterStrike. None whatsoever.

My first word? Deny I cheated. Why? Because I didn't. But all the evidence against me showed I was hacking. Well no shit, who keeps records of players not hacking? But there it was, plain as day, replays of me hacking.

Oh look, how he knew exactly where you were.

Oh look, how he died on purpose because he knew he was being suspicious.

Oh look, how he can do a stupidly bold move and get away with it.

There's a technique called priming. If I say, go look for this right here, chances are you'll find this right there. But would you have otherwise? That's why you have unbiased, unopinionated juries. No rape victim in a rape case. That's why there's a judge to moderate the prosecution. So you don't have biased crap thrown around like it's the truth. Know the victim? Then it's your testimony on your life. Not scared of perjury? You should be. Evidence, not hearsay. And innocent until proven guilty. And if even one juror disagrees with a conviction, you start all fucking over again until it's unanimous.

This is ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourselves.


Ashamed of what? Did you watch the replays? If something is suspicious it needs to be brought up. Something common with a lot of map hackers is the camera locks when he's looking into the fog of war. Compare it to that specific game to a random ladder map and you can see huge differences in game play.

I'm not gonna say if he's guilty or not, but a lot of the evidence provided against him is pretty huge.
Wolfe87
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 00:30:25
June 06 2012 00:29 GMT
#550
On June 06 2012 09:21 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 09:15 1a wrote:
this is sad, the sc2 community made a professional quit their job just because of a couple replays without even good evidence.


i've had it with these posts.



Why because people have a difference of opinion to you? Some people believed he was hacking others did not.

Back on topic of this thread. Good luck to all of those involved shame that this partnership had to end this way.
You have never finished creating something when you have put the last thing in only when you have taken the last thing out.
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
June 06 2012 00:32 GMT
#551
On June 06 2012 09:29 Wolfe87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 09:21 darthfoley wrote:
On June 06 2012 09:15 1a wrote:
this is sad, the sc2 community made a professional quit their job just because of a couple replays without even good evidence.


i've had it with these posts.



Why because people have a difference of opinion to you? Some people believed he was hacking others did not.

Back on topic of this thread. Good luck to all of those involved shame that this partnership had to end this way.


I'm sick of these posts, because they're always some sort of "I'm tired of this community" posts. It's good to have different opinions, but at least give reasons why instead of just saying this community sucks.
quickclickz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
June 06 2012 00:32 GMT
#552
"It's unlikely that I'll receive invites to major tournaments or showmatches as long as this matter is unresolved and I don't see any way for this to be resolved."

I read that as: "There's no way I'll ever admit i'm guilty and there's no way anyone will ever prove me innocent because I'm guilty.. therefore this will never get resolved."
"Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition"
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
June 06 2012 00:35 GMT
#553
I'm just going to repost this from the other page:

I really find Spades posts incredibly self-defeatist. Instead of trying to be positive and forgive and forget as to be the bigger man if he did not hack, he keeps making it seem as if this has done irreversible damage because of these simple accusations. Come on, people don't lose their entire careers by mudslinging without any decent proof. That is what makes Spades seem incredibly suspicious to me, especially because he has been caught maphacking before. Instead of trying to be as upfront about it as possible, and explain every single accusation thrown at him right back in the accuser's face, he is trying to hide and be as isolated as possible from the situation. After all, if he did not hack and is not a hacker, then wouldn't someone such as a PROGAMER have the balls to cement a defense stronger than what any no namer - especially one with just one post- has to say? After all, he has all the resources(his replays). Wouldn't it give him good publicity to do so? Wouldn't it show his sponsors that he is able to stand up for himself and control situations regarding him? Wouldn't it gain some admiration and fans? The fact that he is trying to garner empathy in such a way that tries to completely ignore the accusations made at him raises some eyebrows.The camera locks still have not been answered directly by him with clarity. His claims are all extremely vague and dodge the subject, claiming "chance", "luck", and "randomness" as his only solid defenses.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 06 2012 00:35 GMT
#554
I've yet to see the nay sayers provide a plausible explanation for the fog of war discrepancies between the showmatch games and random ladder games. Even the scouting worker. Blisse and others, please explain how its plausible that Spades would move his scouting worker around by the minimap only in the showmatch games but not in his ladder games.

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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 06 2012 00:37 GMT
#555
On June 06 2012 09:32 quickclickz wrote:
"It's unlikely that I'll receive invites to major tournaments or showmatches as long as this matter is unresolved and I don't see any way for this to be resolved."

I read that as: "There's no way I'll ever admit i'm guilty and there's no way anyone will ever prove me innocent because I'm guilty.. therefore this will never get resolved."



You should stick to the evidence in the replays rather than what Spades says. You have no reason to interpret his words that way rather than "I know I'm innocent but the community will never be convinced otherwise."
sureshot_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
June 06 2012 00:41 GMT
#556
On June 06 2012 09:35 EienShinwa wrote:
I'm just going to repost this from the other page:

I really find Spades posts incredibly self-defeatist. Instead of trying to be positive and forgive and forget as to be the bigger man if he did not hack, he keeps making it seem as if this has done irreversible damage because of these simple accusations. Come on, people don't lose their entire careers by mudslinging without any decent proof. That is what makes Spades seem incredibly suspicious to me, especially because he has been caught maphacking before. Instead of trying to be as upfront about it as possible, and explain every single accusation thrown at him right back in the accuser's face, he is trying to hide and be as isolated as possible from the situation. After all, if he did not hack and is not a hacker, then wouldn't someone such as a PROGAMER have the balls to cement a defense stronger than what any no namer - especially one with just one post- has to say? After all, he has all the resources(his replays). Wouldn't it give him good publicity to do so? Wouldn't it show his sponsors that he is able to stand up for himself and control situations regarding him? Wouldn't it gain some admiration and fans? The fact that he is trying to garner empathy in such a way that tries to completely ignore the accusations made at him raises some eyebrows.The camera locks still have not been answered directly by him with clarity. His claims are all extremely vague and dodge the subject, claiming "chance", "luck", and "randomness" as his only solid defenses.


Yeah pretty much agree with this.

If you didn't hack stop victimizing yourself and taking these allegations so seriously.
If you decided to hack man the fuck up and just say it.

Frankly the fact that he hasn't really made the right move for either scenario makes me believe he's doing the latter (and should say it).
Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
June 06 2012 00:41 GMT
#557
On June 06 2012 04:59 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
People who are innocent leave their teams right? O no, they don't. This guy is completely clueless, EVERYTHING he does makes him seem more guilty


x2 ^_^

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QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
June 06 2012 00:42 GMT
#558
Considering how huge the TL community is and the amount of people that defend Spades, makes me wonder how many hackers have TL accounts and are regular posters, it would be a lie to say theres none.

Sad days,
I bought a pack of cigarettes for $20, What have you done for your country today?
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
June 06 2012 00:44 GMT
#559
Just to be a devil's advocate, this might actually be the rection of someone

1. who's been through this shitstorm before
2. wants to avoid it.

I mean, if he's still scarred from before, I'd think he'd want to avoid the public eye. Makes sense no?

Of course, we could also believe that he was being non self-preserving, kind, thoughtful and decided to leave the team to protect their image rather than run to them for protection unlike the rest of us peons would have been in a similar situation.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
ritzia1
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada95 Posts
June 06 2012 00:44 GMT
#560
On June 06 2012 09:35 Doodsmack wrote:
I've yet to see the nay sayers provide a plausible explanation for the fog of war discrepancies between the showmatch games and random ladder games. Even the scouting worker. Blisse and others, please explain how its plausible that Spades would move his scouting worker around by the minimap only in the showmatch games but not in his ladder games.


Agree with 100% I'd like to know what are people's explanations for this.

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