EPTSpades retires from Western Wolves - Page 26
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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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All.In
United States214 Posts
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
Guys, this is the closest you'll ever get to proving someone hacks. I sure hope a lot of you "innocent until guilty" people wise up and learn how hackers are usually dealt with. You can almost never 100% prove somebody is hacking, but when bullshit happens like has happened in all 7 showmatches, you can determine that he hacks based on that alone. This is how hackers are caught, and this is how hackers will be caught in the future. And anyone saying there wasn't any compelling proof has probably not watched any of the replays or stream analyses or has a really poor grasp of the game. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:59 Kergy wrote: And the mob rule prevails, man I bet everyone's feeling so cool because 'OMG we caught a hacker guys!'. Why even bother to give him the benefit of the doubt or question que fabulous and effective biased methods of Catz & co? Internet justice is the future and clearly the only way to go. What a fucking lovely community. sigh, i'm really fucking tired of hearing about the biased methods of catz. They all stated Spades is a nice guy, he's their friend. The reason they seemed biased on stream is because they had ALL watched the replays multiple times AND had their own time stamps that weren't in the OP. Jesus, they didn't start out biased, their conclusions were that he hacked. They then presented this on stream. It's not like they were out to get him from the start, unless this is conspiracy. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:05 All.In wrote: I gained a lot of respect for your team through all this. Glad to see a team back someone for once. I really lost respect for EG when they cut that caster dude for something that really wasn't all that bad. You guys at least stood up for him and in the end it was him that left. GL EG felt it was bad and so did most of the community. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:01 PanN wrote: Wasn't biased. Stop saying it was. They looked at the replays before they began streaming and then they made their decision. Bias would be analyzing the replays and saying hes obviously hacking before they look at the evidence. Wake up please. Mob mentality and information cascade. Look them up. How do you think riots work? | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:07 mrtomjones wrote: Mob mentality and information cascade. Look them up. How do you think riots work? I'd rather not but thanks. Though if you were talking to the other person (doubt it but i dont know) you should quote them instead  | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:07 dAPhREAk wrote: EG felt it was bad and so did most of the community. Yeah, different situation. With orb, there was basically 100% proof he did what he was accused of. That's not something EG can discredit. WW backed Spades saying that he didn't do it, completely different. Anyways, as the mod note says this isn't the place to discuss whether or not he did it, I'll leave out my opinion and just say this: cya | ||
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Aunvilgod
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Hope Spades can do well in the WCS to show he is a skilled player and somewhat redeems himself in the eyes of the people doubting him | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:26 windsupernova wrote: Good luck to Spades and Western Wolves. Hope Spades can do well in the WCS to show he is a skilled player and somewhat redeems himself in the eyes of the people doubting him Really? The ones who doubt him, did so before this incident and will definitely ever do after it. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:42 HansK wrote: It still amazes me people type MASSIVE amounts of text and barley understand the situation. To sum it up for you, all the replays he posted he is playing legit and no one was trying to say other wise. The train of thought is he maphacked for this in particular show match, and there is heavy heavy evidence to support that. To me the most compelling is the following: In his show match games[7 of them] he regularly: 1. Sends his scv to scout and goes in the base then out of the base with out ever looking at the scv[or scouting the second gas] or buildings. [Who would EVER send a scv in and out of a base and not look at any buildings...] 2. Never once, EVER no matter what looks into the fog of war and has frequent 5-10 second screen pauces. 3. Does very odd scans where the only way you can do them is the mini-map. This is all with out including the very very odd moves.. such as stimming and running back all his marines 1 inch away from siege with out ever seeing the tanks. There is dozens of very odd stuff like this in a small Bo7 when he very rarely does that kinda stuff in a 100 game sample. Compare this to his normal ladder games where: 1. He ALWAYS checks his SCV and scouts both gas.. 2. He ALWAYS looks into the fog of war like 10+ times a game.. 3. Scans 100% different [looking into fog of war] every single game... I find it rather odd you made that huge post[lots of effort] with out even realizing no one thought he hacked in the replays he posted him self. This should be a must-read... for all those who haven't watch CatZ & Co's analysis and haven't followed this whole story from the start. This is hardly a witch hunt, but a careful dissection of his replays which showed beyond a reasonable doubt that he was map hacking. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:05 All.In wrote: I gained a lot of respect for your team through all this. Glad to see a team back someone for once. I really lost respect for EG when they cut that caster dude for something that really wasn't all that bad. You guys at least stood up for him and in the end it was him that left. GL so naive. its standard PR practice to announce that a player, or any employee for that matter, has left an organization on his/her own volition when in fact they were simply let go/fired. this is more than likely what happened here, and more than likely what happened with Destiny when "he decided to leave Quantic to not tarnish their reputation" | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:15 NeMeSiS3 wrote: It's funny, with all the witch hunting... I've noticed a odd amount of the users totally shitting on Spades consisted of users who bitch all the time in balance discussions. Hopefully, next time another player is thrown under the bus blizzard can announce another patch so the idiots who are posting can be slimmed down to the regular squabbling over who's races dick is bigger than the others. Spades, you'll likely not read this, but you were a damn good terran and a good up and coming player, my personal advice would be to simply forget the haters, and take the next 6months to just play and improve, then come back to the scene... But I understand how difficult and betrayed you probably feel. Goodluck in your future, preferably pick a game without such an immature audience next time you want to go pro though... Speaking of which, I now find it mildly ironic Nony mentioned how mature (age wise) are community was on SOTG, it doesn't seem to correlate with how we act. How betrayed he probably feels? The guy was caught maphacking in brood war... was extremely adamant that he never did it and played victim for two years even though TeamLiquid had hard evidence on him cheating. Finally decided to apologize by PM'ing TL mods when he decided to go pro in SC2 because he most likely realized that he would've probably been continued to be blacklisted by the community otherwise. Here, his ex-manager and ex-teammate claim that he has streamcheated. He calls both of them liars and plays victim ("World is out to get me") once again. Just what motivation would those guys have completely fabricating something out of thin air? Just who should be feeling betrayed here? | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:26 windsupernova wrote: Good luck to Spades and Western Wolves. Hope Spades can do well in the WCS to show he is a skilled player and somewhat redeems himself in the eyes of the people doubting him I don't see him doing well... He will attempt to play exclusively through the mini map to disprove these theories saying "SEE I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS, EVEN AT LANS!" and get smashed. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:42 eNtitY~ wrote: And with that their only SC2 player right? Yes, correct | ||
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