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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
June 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#381
Its hard to go against Catz and all the pro players who decided to chime in (most of them believe he maphacked or stream cheated). I didn't watch the replays but based on trusted sources, it is very likely that he did indeed hack. If so, he should never be allowed to play this game professionally again. Especially because these accusations are made over replays from a show match.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Sadform
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom79 Posts
June 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#382
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if a politician fucks the people, hes out.
if a professional sportsman is getting caught doping, hes out.

if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.


Well, with the sportsman example, you needed to be tested for doping. Not have a bunch of nerds throw wild accusations at someone on a internet forum.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
June 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#383
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.

He didn't have a choice. It doesn't matter anymore if he's guilty or innocent; his reputation is stained, and it would be PR suicide for any team to associate with him at this point, especially with it being impossible to come up with a definitive conclusion. If he didn't step down, WW would have fired him.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#384
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.
#TheOneTrueDong
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#385
From now on, since e-Sports is a much bigger thing, we can't tolerate hackers at all, and we can't forgive players. We have to make it clear that in each action lies consequences.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#386
On June 06 2012 06:20 Stubentiger wrote:

And if anyone could explain to me why a pro player would maphack, please?


Why would a athlete use doping
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:42 GMT
#387
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 05 2012 21:42 GMT
#388
On June 06 2012 06:32 Yorbon wrote:
I wish Spades the best of luck.
I have never known him as a gamer, never seen him on stream.

Being innocent or not is irrelevant: I'm quite disappointed in the way things went and the people contributing nothing but hatred for suspects; being civilised is apparently of no value to those people..

Teamliquid forums or not, this is still the internet.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#389
On June 06 2012 06:41 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.

So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#390
On June 06 2012 06:42 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:32 Yorbon wrote:
I wish Spades the best of luck.
I have never known him as a gamer, never seen him on stream.

Being innocent or not is irrelevant: I'm quite disappointed in the way things went and the people contributing nothing but hatred for suspects; being civilised is apparently of no value to those people..

Teamliquid forums or not, this is still the internet.
Yeah, it's hard to not get cynical.
LoraX
Profile Joined November 2010
69 Posts
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#391
On June 06 2012 06:42 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.


Catz, drewbie, illusion, and TTI went way out of their way to analyse the games, and they all decided that he did hack. I dont know what else you're looking for
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:44 GMT
#392
On June 06 2012 06:42 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.


Did you watch Catz's stream? The Root player watched the replays to determine for themselves, they were so confidnet that he map hacked that they would risk their names to prove that to 6k others. Imagine if he is proven not guilty how bad that would be for Drewbie, Catz, TT1, Illusion. They wouldnt have done that broadcast had they not been certain.He did it.
#TheOneTrueDong
NeuTrons12
Profile Joined June 2012
50 Posts
June 05 2012 21:44 GMT
#393
He is depressed and fat that probably caused to hacking.

User was warned for this post
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#394
On June 06 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:41 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.

So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life.


Destroyed his life, because he can't play a videogame for money anymore? Really?
xlord 5:0
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 21:46:48
June 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#395
"So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life."

Well its better than how he defended himself is all im saying.
#TheOneTrueDong
Mo0Rauder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada182 Posts
June 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#396
Disappointing outcome, I always hate to see people's reputation's crushed without 100% solid proof. I feel sorry for Spades, as a person and esports guy.

Elbow bump to spades, hope you get things on track soon.
All work or all play? Nive to five? Or, five to nine?
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:48 GMT
#397
On June 06 2012 06:46 Mo0Rauder wrote:
Disappointing outcome, I always hate to see people's reputation's crushed without 100% solid proof. I feel sorry for Spades, as a person and esports guy.

Elbow bump to spades, hope you get things on track soon.


As a fellow MVP fan, I feel i am required to tell you that he hacked and we cant let him be around the scene anymore, it had to be done. MVP Fighting!
#TheOneTrueDong
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
June 05 2012 21:48 GMT
#398
On June 06 2012 06:44 NeuTrons12 wrote:
He is depressed and fat that probably caused to hacking.


I hope you get banned you little prick, awful comment.

User was warned for this post
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#399
On June 06 2012 06:46 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:41 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.

So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life.


Destroyed his life, because he can't play a videogame for money anymore? Really?

I guess when you lose your hard worked for job because of one internet thread you will have the same opinion as this?


Also to the other person; I noticed various pros like Nericho? who questioned the legitmacy of the claims. I also saw TT1 who you quoted say that there needs to be a much bigger sample size to analyze or it isn't fair.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
June 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#400
On June 06 2012 06:40 Sadform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if a politician fucks the people, hes out.
if a professional sportsman is getting caught doping, hes out.

if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.


Well, with the sportsman example, you needed to be tested for doping. Not have a bunch of nerds throw wild accusations at someone on a internet forum.

Yes except leagues do the testing in sports. We do not have a body of people who decide who hacks or uses substances like Adderall. The community has been the voice on this subject.
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