• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:04
CEST 18:04
KST 01:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy16ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea How can I add timer&apm count ? A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1875 users

Spades retires from Western Wolves - Page 20

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 35 Next All
This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
June 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#381
Its hard to go against Catz and all the pro players who decided to chime in (most of them believe he maphacked or stream cheated). I didn't watch the replays but based on trusted sources, it is very likely that he did indeed hack. If so, he should never be allowed to play this game professionally again. Especially because these accusations are made over replays from a show match.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Sadform
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom79 Posts
June 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#382
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if a politician fucks the people, hes out.
if a professional sportsman is getting caught doping, hes out.

if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.


Well, with the sportsman example, you needed to be tested for doping. Not have a bunch of nerds throw wild accusations at someone on a internet forum.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
June 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#383
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.

He didn't have a choice. It doesn't matter anymore if he's guilty or innocent; his reputation is stained, and it would be PR suicide for any team to associate with him at this point, especially with it being impossible to come up with a definitive conclusion. If he didn't step down, WW would have fired him.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#384
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.
#TheOneTrueDong
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#385
From now on, since e-Sports is a much bigger thing, we can't tolerate hackers at all, and we can't forgive players. We have to make it clear that in each action lies consequences.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 05 2012 21:41 GMT
#386
On June 06 2012 06:20 Stubentiger wrote:

And if anyone could explain to me why a pro player would maphack, please?


Why would a athlete use doping
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:42 GMT
#387
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 05 2012 21:42 GMT
#388
On June 06 2012 06:32 Yorbon wrote:
I wish Spades the best of luck.
I have never known him as a gamer, never seen him on stream.

Being innocent or not is irrelevant: I'm quite disappointed in the way things went and the people contributing nothing but hatred for suspects; being civilised is apparently of no value to those people..

Teamliquid forums or not, this is still the internet.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#389
On June 06 2012 06:41 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.

So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#390
On June 06 2012 06:42 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:32 Yorbon wrote:
I wish Spades the best of luck.
I have never known him as a gamer, never seen him on stream.

Being innocent or not is irrelevant: I'm quite disappointed in the way things went and the people contributing nothing but hatred for suspects; being civilised is apparently of no value to those people..

Teamliquid forums or not, this is still the internet.
Yeah, it's hard to not get cynical.
LoraX
Profile Joined November 2010
69 Posts
June 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#391
On June 06 2012 06:42 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.


Catz, drewbie, illusion, and TTI went way out of their way to analyse the games, and they all decided that he did hack. I dont know what else you're looking for
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:44 GMT
#392
On June 06 2012 06:42 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.


Did you watch Catz's stream? The Root player watched the replays to determine for themselves, they were so confidnet that he map hacked that they would risk their names to prove that to 6k others. Imagine if he is proven not guilty how bad that would be for Drewbie, Catz, TT1, Illusion. They wouldnt have done that broadcast had they not been certain.He did it.
#TheOneTrueDong
NeuTrons12
Profile Joined June 2012
50 Posts
June 05 2012 21:44 GMT
#393
He is depressed and fat that probably caused to hacking.

User was warned for this post
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#394
On June 06 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:41 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.

So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life.


Destroyed his life, because he can't play a videogame for money anymore? Really?
xlord 5:0
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 21:46:48
June 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#395
"So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life."

Well its better than how he defended himself is all im saying.
#TheOneTrueDong
Mo0Rauder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada182 Posts
June 05 2012 21:46 GMT
#396
Disappointing outcome, I always hate to see people's reputation's crushed without 100% solid proof. I feel sorry for Spades, as a person and esports guy.

Elbow bump to spades, hope you get things on track soon.
All work or all play? Nive to five? Or, five to nine?
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:48 GMT
#397
On June 06 2012 06:46 Mo0Rauder wrote:
Disappointing outcome, I always hate to see people's reputation's crushed without 100% solid proof. I feel sorry for Spades, as a person and esports guy.

Elbow bump to spades, hope you get things on track soon.


As a fellow MVP fan, I feel i am required to tell you that he hacked and we cant let him be around the scene anymore, it had to be done. MVP Fighting!
#TheOneTrueDong
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
June 05 2012 21:48 GMT
#398
On June 06 2012 06:44 NeuTrons12 wrote:
He is depressed and fat that probably caused to hacking.


I hope you get banned you little prick, awful comment.

User was warned for this post
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#399
On June 06 2012 06:46 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:43 mrtomjones wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:41 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:39 SoloZergg wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:36 Aeris130 wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:34 SoloZergg wrote:
Hmm, this is happening again? One thread can ruin someone's career just like that, huh?
Regardless of the conclusion on his "maphacking", it's so fucking pathetic that his career ended because of ONE person with some unproven theories. Bad on TL's part as well, as they should have closed the thread right away.
Staying away from this site for a long time, this is getting too stupid and childish, really.


One way of not letting one thread ruin your career is to not quit your team within 24 hours of said thread being posted.


True, very true.
But his reputation was already fucked, as everyone has said...because of a single thread from someone unknown.


I think if he wouldve came in that thread and said "ahahahahhahaha good thread bro, im going to ladder" and never said anything else that he wouldve been better.

So you want him to react like some 13 year old kid? I hope he is guilty or this community just destroyed someones life.


Destroyed his life, because he can't play a videogame for money anymore? Really?

I guess when you lose your hard worked for job because of one internet thread you will have the same opinion as this?


Also to the other person; I noticed various pros like Nericho? who questioned the legitmacy of the claims. I also saw TT1 who you quoted say that there needs to be a much bigger sample size to analyze or it isn't fair.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
June 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#400
On June 06 2012 06:40 Sadform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if a politician fucks the people, hes out.
if a professional sportsman is getting caught doping, hes out.

if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.


Well, with the sportsman example, you needed to be tested for doping. Not have a bunch of nerds throw wild accusations at someone on a internet forum.

Yes except leagues do the testing in sports. We do not have a body of people who decide who hacks or uses substances like Adderall. The community has been the voice on this subject.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#111
Bly vs TBD
TriGGeR vs Lambo
RotterdaM632
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 632
Hui .246
ProTech124
trigger 46
UpATreeSC 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31872
Calm 7882
Horang2 1784
Mini 1226
Soma 624
firebathero 510
BeSt 504
Snow 392
actioN 329
hero 217
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 86
Soulkey 81
PianO 70
JYJ 66
Leta 66
Sea.KH 60
Sharp 58
Hyun 33
Aegong 30
Sexy 23
Backho 21
Hm[arnc] 20
Shine 20
scan(afreeca) 19
GoRush 18
yabsab 17
Rock 17
soO 16
Terrorterran 14
IntoTheRainbow 11
910 10
zelot 10
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5374
420jenkins258
Counter-Strike
fl0m841
shoxiejesuss787
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu29
MindelVK8
Other Games
gofns9241
B2W.Neo1223
FrodaN1031
crisheroes256
Livibee215
Fuzer 138
ArmadaUGS104
KnowMe87
QueenE83
Trikslyr45
oskar26
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 647
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 62
• LUISG 24
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3413
• lizZardDota261
League of Legends
• Nemesis4676
• Jankos2336
Other Games
• WagamamaTV347
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 56m
RSL Revival
17h 56m
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
1d 2h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 21h
BSL
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.