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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
June 05 2012 21:50 GMT
#401
I still don't get what kind of reputation or image was destroyed? He was a cheater in bw, so everyone thought of him as a cheater anyway?
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
June 05 2012 21:51 GMT
#402
On June 06 2012 06:44 NeuTrons12 wrote:
He is depressed and fat that probably caused to hacking.

User was warned for this post


Can we actually get a ban on this idiot? He will do no good in this community, and is blatantly being an imbecile. Just curious, but if I called sheth depressed and fat would I simply be warned? Especially in a thread regarding his reputation?

FoTG fighting!
Grippe87
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden59 Posts
June 05 2012 21:51 GMT
#403
to people calling this a witch hunt: !?!?!?!?!?


have you seen the replays?

lol
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#404
On June 06 2012 04:54 PolskaGora wrote:
This community has good days and bad days.

Unfortunately, as of late, it seems that the ugly side has been showing for too long. It's unfortunate Spades decided to leave, and I wish him the best of luck in the future!

this is one of those issues that the "ugly" side as you put it should be out, we don't need players that maphack, or have in the past maphacked . hes not the only one i am looking at..
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 22:03:26
June 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#405
On June 06 2012 06:40 Sadform wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if a politician fucks the people, hes out.
if a professional sportsman is getting caught doping, hes out.
if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.

Well, with the sportsman example, you needed to be tested for doping. Not have a bunch of nerds throw wild accusations at someone on a internet forum.

It is very, very professional done in the sports world...
You mean those cyclists that win the Tour de France? When they find plastics and an insane low amount of a forbidden product in their blood, an amount so small that it is impossible to have been taken in, so small that blood transfusing is the the most probable cause, however, a piece of evidence was hidden by the searchers.
The team gets the partial news first, and even before it hits the newspaper they already have an excuse that they ate a rare piece of meat a couple days before. They even had the cook testifying that he bought the meat on a maybe discussable place. The "common" people believed this cyclist, because the forbidden product percentage was so low, and screamed for forgiveness.
When the doping searchers reveal the extra piece of information about the plastic found in the blood as well, the media is too stupid to understand the meaning, spreads false rumors and nobody was smart enough to understand what really happened. The entire thing went to court, I think around 8 months later(?), it was a cluster fuck, somebody got punished, and then again not punished too hard, but then punished hard enough so he couldn't participate in the next Tour de France.

That was really professional.
I had a good night of sleep.
Chakoi
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom81 Posts
June 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#406
He does what is good and doesn't want to affect other people. I think that is very nice of him, but I hate how people dish out negativity to him.

Whether he did or not "Cheat", he has a chance to change back into a positive player.
The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The great teacher inspires
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
June 05 2012 21:53 GMT
#407
really sorry to hear this happening to you Brian... i hope only the best for you and that this can be resolved in your favor! <3
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 05 2012 21:53 GMT
#408
On June 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:

EDIT: if he was innocent would he leave the team?

YES HE WOULD STILL LEAVE THE TEAM.

I swear, you guys have the world understanding of 14 year olds. By staying on the team, regardless whether he cheated or not, his team loses face. It's literally explained in the OP.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
June 05 2012 21:53 GMT
#409
Excellent, but I'd like WW and Spades to comment on this, leave it till a later date if need be but the community needs answers rather than the way they make it out to be martyring spades
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 05 2012 21:54 GMT
#410
Regardless of whether he hacked, there were multiple people who witnessed him stream cheating less than half a year ago. That alone is grounds to be kicked off a team in my opinion.
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 22:00:44
June 05 2012 21:55 GMT
#411
On June 06 2012 06:42 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:39 TommyP wrote:
On June 06 2012 06:37 matiK23 wrote:
Why do people who always get caught never man up and admit their wrong doings? It would get so much respect from peers and fans of the game. It's like people who go on murder sprees and then commit suicide because they dont want to deal with the aftermath. All cowards.


I completely agree, if he has any respect for the game, he will admit his wrong doings.

Want to know one reason why some people dont admit things? Because they didnt do them. Spades hasn't been given a fair chance to prove he is innocent and likely wont unless another pro player really goes out of his way to analyse games and find guilt or innocence.


Actually they did analyse the replay and called him out for hacking. That is enough proof when it is coming from another professional player. No team would ever pick him up anyways after all that has been said by the professional players calling him out as a cheater. It's also suspicious that he just leaves without defending himself.

Anyways best of luck to him in whatever future he chooses to be in.
[RAVEN ONLINE] "You don't talk like us" [....CAW CAW] -QXC
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 05 2012 21:56 GMT
#412
On June 06 2012 06:53 TSBspartacus wrote:
Excellent, but I'd like WW and Spades to comment on this, leave it till a later date if need be but the community needs answers rather than the way they make it out to be martyring spades

This will be it.

Community = super bad villains.
Spades = Martyr of the year 2012
Western Wolves = forced into this terrible terrible spot, couldn't support their member from the pitch forks.
I had a good night of sleep.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:56 GMT
#413
On June 06 2012 06:53 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:

EDIT: if he was innocent would he leave the team?

YES HE WOULD STILL LEAVE THE TEAM.

I swear, you guys have the world understanding of 14 year olds. By staying on the team, regardless whether he cheated or not, his team loses face. It's literally explained in the OP.


It wasnt a rhetorical question, i was legitimately wanting to hear what people thought about that.
#TheOneTrueDong
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 05 2012 21:57 GMT
#414
On June 06 2012 06:54 jalstar wrote:
Regardless of whether he hacked, there were multiple people who witnessed him stream cheating less than half a year ago. That alone is grounds to be kicked off a team in my opinion.


Very true, i dont even know how we let his cheating get to this point, with that and his BW background.
#TheOneTrueDong
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
June 05 2012 21:57 GMT
#415
On June 06 2012 06:52 Chakoi wrote:
He does what is good and doesn't want to affect other people. I think that is very nice of him, but I hate how people dish out negativity to him.

Whether he did or not "Cheat", he has a chance to change back into a positive player.


Don't you think he had enough chances? He already cheated in BW, I don't even understand why all the BW cheaters got a second chance with SC2 at all.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
June 05 2012 21:58 GMT
#416
Hopefully this will help end this issue. Knowing this community though I'm not very helpful. Gl to Spades regardless of whether he's guilty or not in whatever he does.
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
philly5man
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom356 Posts
June 05 2012 21:59 GMT
#417
Wouldn't leave if he were innocent. Defo cowards way out.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
June 05 2012 21:59 GMT
#418
On June 06 2012 06:51 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:44 NeuTrons12 wrote:
He is depressed and fat that probably caused to hacking.

User was warned for this post


Can we actually get a ban on this idiot? He will do no good in this community, and is blatantly being an imbecile. Just curious, but if I called sheth depressed and fat would I simply be warned? Especially in a thread regarding his reputation?


I find that certain comments are allowed sometimes and not others. I have to assume it depends on which moderator reviews it but yah.. that kind of comment shouldnt be allowed on TL -_-
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 22:03:39
June 05 2012 21:59 GMT
#419
On June 06 2012 06:57 Champloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:52 Chakoi wrote:
He does what is good and doesn't want to affect other people. I think that is very nice of him, but I hate how people dish out negativity to him.

Whether he did or not "Cheat", he has a chance to change back into a positive player.


Don't you think he had enough chances? He already cheated in BW, I don't even understand why all the BW cheaters got a second chance with SC2 at all.


Never understood why any known cheater in online games is given another competetive chance. And no I don't care which big time name from any game imaginable you out "shouldn't he be allowed to play?!", if he cheated before, then my stance would be, no he should not.

There are after all, still people who never cheated.


But I also don't really like or understand why if innocent he would have to leave his team so fast. I wouldn't really look down on WW if they'd keep him until there was absolute proof one way or another if it's even possible. Unless, if caught for cheating and they knew about him doing it...

Casts more doubt to me than clears anything, but then again I'm no sponsor or any other big actor in the SC2 professional field. They probably see it different.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 05 2012 21:59 GMT
#420
dislike these rash reactions by the managers etc in regards to these things in general. 1 Post trolls shouldn't be able to cause these reactions, as you can basically drop down anyone with it that is no superstar. And as we can see it starts to appear more periodically. If this gets more common this will probably starve out pro scenes bottom.
Not that its not a good thing to get rid of cheaters, but it shouldn't be done by analyzing a lil BoX series after someone that created an alt, made you biased. And afterwards the only thing people can say, well he was unlucky having so much luck in the games, so he is a cheater, despite losing a game with nothing on the line then honor.
If someone is truly caught (multiple times online luck and offline nothing close to it), then people should ban this person from tournaments.
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