EPTSpades retires from Western Wolves - Page 22
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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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Sylfyre
Australia222 Posts
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Chakoi
United Kingdom81 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:57 Champloo wrote: Don't you think he had enough chances? He already cheated in BW, I don't even understand why all the BW cheaters got a second chance with SC2 at all. Ok.. Well I haven't been following spades a total load, Ignore what I said then lul His only achievements was in 2010. Explains it | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:59 philly5man wrote: Wouldn't leave if he were innocent. Defo cowards way out. lol You need to get your understanding beyond the high school level. He WOULD leave even if he was innocent. In fact it salvages his reputation slightly with other teams if he can prove innocence because he put the team before his own self. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:59 daemir wrote: Never understood why any known cheater in online games is given another competetive chance. And no I don't care which big time name from any game imaginable you out "shouldn't he be allowed to play?!", if he cheated before, then my stance would be, no he should not. There are after all, still people who never cheated. i disagree with both of you: you can go case-by-case and find those that have really reformed themselves. TT1 and Haypro to name the best examples. Even before this i wouldnt say spades was reformed; it was obvious from his stream cheating ~6mo ago hes the same scum. So he didnt deserve a 2nd chance. I believe case-by-case is the best way. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:00 mrtomjones wrote: lol You need to get your understanding beyond the high school level. He WOULD leave even if he was innocent. In fact it salvages his reputation slightly with other teams if he can prove innocence because he put the team before his own self. But no other team is going to want him with the situation left as is. Would be huge risk with very, very little chance for reward. | ||
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Hijungle
Australia67 Posts
And so far he's shown nothing but passive-aggressive cowardice. Making it appear like he was the one betrayed or something.. I feel betrayed. WE should feel betrayed. However, I think it's best if we leave this to go away, and we move on. He's gone, let this act as a deterrence to any potential professional players who hack or anyone that thinks of hacking. We gonna find you. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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Rantech
Chile527 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:02 HolyArrow wrote: If Spades is actually innocent, his attitude doesn't make much sense. He basically keeps saying "Guilty or not, this severely damages my image and my career". I fail to see how it's so damaging if he's proven innocent in the end. That sort of attitude only serves to contribute toward suspicions that he's guilty. He already lost his spot on his team.. how is this not damaging if he is innocent? Let alone the fact that plenty of people will never believe him even with proof of innocence. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5817 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:01 nath wrote: i disagree with both of you: you can go case-by-case and find those that have really reformed themselves. TT1 and Haypro to name the best examples. Even before this i wouldnt say spades was reformed; it was obvious from his stream cheating ~6mo ago hes the same scum. So he didnt deserve a 2nd chance. I believe case-by-case is the best way. I still do not believe Haypro hacked. Did he actually admit it? I haven't seen a single suspicious action made by him. I find his explanation more likely then hacking. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:08 mrtomjones wrote: He already lost his spot on his team.. how is this not damaging if he is innocent? Let alone the fact that plenty of people will never believe him even with proof of innocence. If he could counter these good pieces of evidence against him and prove his innocence I'm sure the team would gladly let him back in. But of course for now he has to leave either way, or at least just say he's left. If he was innocent the team could still be paying him and then be ready to let him back in when everything's settled. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:05 TBone- wrote: I wish we had a council of reputable players to look at the replays and come to a conclusion, because right now, its not confirmed. If Morrow, Nony, and say, Artosis took the time to look at it together, I would believe in their consensus. Catz, Illusion and TT1 did this on stream. Well, I guess you are talking about more reputable than that? | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:08 mrtomjones wrote: He already lost his spot on his team.. how is this not damaging if he is innocent? Let alone the fact that plenty of people will never believe him even with proof of innocence. Well he's already handled it badly to begin with. And the way I see it, the onus is upon his team/anyone else who took punitive action to set things right if he's proven innocent, so there's nothing permanently damaging. | ||
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Maekchu
140 Posts
Let's say he is proven innocent on this hacking issue. It has been proven that he have hacked in BW, and stream cheated in SC2. Honestly, I cannot understand this guy gets so much support. Obviously he is just a bad player and a bad sport. It's only good that he gets removed from the scene. | ||
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MVega
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
I just hope that he really was guilty for the sake of everyone posting "serves him right" in this thread. If he's not, it's a hell of a thing to completely ruin someone's career because you made a snap judgement. | ||
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